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the planets often masters almost surely

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have a plan

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this clearly made me something there

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beyond the realm of man and if you

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already tested every Pascal's just you

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and the boy you think you know the less

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you really do that's true dr. Zaius we

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know that I do

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but we be without the

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the science side

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Oh God

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all right higher side chatters you hear

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people saying that everything we've been

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taught is a lie that our education

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system is little more than a propaganda

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machine and the material of science is

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just as much a religion as any of the

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others and to a large extent I do think

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they're right we're presented with

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credentialed talking-head experts that

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tell us there is nothing beyond the

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randomly self exploding universe that

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science is everything figured out and

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the Nazi lab coats that stock NASA have

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no ulterior motives than to present the

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public with their latest research for

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the good of mankind well over and over

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again during the course of this show

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I've been surprised to find the truth as

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I thought to be self-evident are

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actually conjured up to distract deceive

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and distort in deeper ways than many

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suspect and we should be careful to

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routinely question the things we think

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we know and with that said ever since

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the infamous Eric Dubay episode I've had

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a large segment of listeners clamoring

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for more exploration of the Flat Earth

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paradigm we've also seen more and more

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researchers and guests open themselves

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up to the idea that realities construct

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is just as much of a deception as the

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moon landings false flag attacks and

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Columbus discovering America and while I

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still remain earth shape agnostic I'd

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rather hang around those who might go

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too deep as opposed to those who don't

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go deep enough and that's why today's

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guest is Jaron Campanella he's a fellow

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corporate retail held refugee that I

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consider to be one of the most

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reasonable rational voices in the Flat

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Earth community whose work I got into

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after a heavy recommendation from our

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good pal Marty Leeds Jaron runs the

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popular Flat Earth focused YouTube

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channel Jaron ISM with over 70,000

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subscribers it's a real pleasure to have

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him here Jaron my man welcome to the

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higher side hey Greg thanks for having

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me appreciate it love the show all right

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ah man thank you and I do appreciate you

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being here like I said I tend to be

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earth shape agnostic which pisses off

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both sides because everyone is just so

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damn sure of something that I find to be

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almost too big to know but I have really

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been impressed with some of the proofs

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the Flat Earth community uses but others

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just don't seem quite as convincing so

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I'm stuck but I think the best way to

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open the door here is to show the major

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holes in the official paradigm first so

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that people can see the need to rework

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the model or question what we've been

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so I guess to kick this off what do you

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some of the most convincing

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discrepancies are flaws in what we're

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told would be the mainstream model yeah

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thanks well you know all I ask from

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people is that they are open-minded and

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if they kind of understand where we're

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coming from with the whole idea of the

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Flat Earth and I think many people just

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right off the bat again dismiss it as a

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crazy conspiracy theory or something

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that we've known for thousands of years

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and really they need to look at the

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whole plate of information and kind of

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put themselves in the position of NASA

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or put themselves in the position of

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science and think about what would

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happen if at some point in your

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investigations that you realize that you

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were drastically wrong about something

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as fundamental as the shape of the earth

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and what would you do if you were NASA

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for instance you know if you realize

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that you couldn't go to the moon and

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that you never will be able to is that

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something that you would be able to

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release and the answer is probably no

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that you know to continue on with what

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you're doing and to continue your

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research and to continue your money to

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continue your funding from the

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government you would need to make sure

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that you held up that Apollo myth for as

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long as possible and that's what it

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seems like they're doing so you need to

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kind of put yourself in that position

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first of all and then as far as the you

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know the best proof you know I would

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first of all say it's really a

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combination of all of my videos it's

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made me quote-unquote flat earther when

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you do the research and you really start

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looking into it you have to realize that

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a lot of things are going to be

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explained away by science in some way or

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you've gone through and looked at the

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history of everything and you've looked

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at quotes from major physicists and the

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way that they tell you how they come

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across their answers and what they

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basically base everything on that's when

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you can kind of start to formulate your

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own opinion or your own theory and

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that's basically what I've done is by

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looking at everything you know you can

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go to George Ellis who is one of the

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main stream physicists and you know he

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said that he can construct a spherically

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symmetrical universe with the earth at

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its center and you could not disprove it

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by observations and then he says that

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on a philosophical notion and a lot of

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cosmology tries to hide that and in that

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quote I thought to myself when I first

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saw it you know here's a mainstream

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physicist telling people that a lot of

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cosmology which is a science tries to

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hide that so when I hear that and I

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realize okay so science is trying to

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hide some things or is keeping some

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things to themselves then I started

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exploring from that point and really you

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just get to these fundamental issues

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which is like our senses you know I

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think that our senses can be trusted we

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trust them every day all day and we

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don't realize that we also allow science

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to tell us your senses can't be trusted

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that they're there to fool you or they

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will fool you but really when you break

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it down yeah but if a scientist develops

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some maybe it's an illusion that they

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tell you to look at and stare at this

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dot for a certain amount of time and

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then this dot will disappear or whatever

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do and yeah those are meant to fool your

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senses so in those cases your senses do

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fail you but for the most part your

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senses are exactly and do exactly what

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when it's not and unless you're fooled

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your senses always work as they're

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supposed to but when it comes to things

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in the sky when it comes to where you

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your senses values so even though you

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stars that look to be really close

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science tells us that the nearest star

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other than the Sun is 25 trillion miles

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away and people I think have a hard time

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even grasping what 25 trillion miles

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would be I mean you know a trillion

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seconds is thirty one thousand years so

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trillion miles that is just a ridiculous

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number and they tell you that that's how

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far they are and you have a choice

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either believe in what men tell you or

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to believe what your eyes tell you and

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when you look at the Sun it clearly to

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me at least traverses the sky you know

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the Sun is what's moving not the earth

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and when it comes to the spin of the

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earth we know nobody in the history of

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the world 100 billion people has ever

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felt the earth to be moving you

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they tell us that it is and at our

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senses again fail us so you know those

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water definitely always finding its

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level always being flat that's something

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that until I see evidence in the

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contrary it's hard for me to just accept

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that the ball that they show me on TV or

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the ball that NASA gives me the Blue

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reality to me it looks like a depiction

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it looks like a drawing it looks like

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CGI and so when I see that and I see the

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water hanging upside down or sideways it

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tends to not meet my opinion of the

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world based on my senses and so I used

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to think that my senses do fail me often

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now I don't I now think that for the

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most part my sense is unless they're

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fooled do the job they're supposed to

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and my senses tell me that the earth is

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flat well it is interesting you bring

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out that near a star I got this was

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something I was going to get into later

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but when I was getting ready for the

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show I did a little math in regards to

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what we're told about space and the

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Stars and I do find this a little fishy

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so we're told the Sun is a little over

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eight hundred thousand miles in diameter

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it's 93 million miles away and looks

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about the size of a dime from our

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perspective on earth meanwhile these

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other stars are trillions of miles away

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in fact that nearest star and just keep

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in mind how many stars we actually see

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in the night sky thousands of them the

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next nearest is said to be 24 trillion

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miles away and all other stars would

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have to be further than that and we can

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see them I mean they're supposed to be

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24 trillion miles of line of sight in

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space in almost all directions okay

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that's that doesn't sound right to me I

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mean 24 trillion miles of line-of-sight

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and it's something you can always see

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nothing ever crosses that path I don't

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know it does seem odd yeah it's pretty

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crazy and I mean really when you look at

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the Sun being what do they say you know

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it would take eight minutes for us to

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know that it blew up or something they

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tell us because it's eight light minutes

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away so if you doubled that and then

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picture as we double this distance if

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the Sun is reducing its size so double

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that at 16 light minutes and then double

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that again now you're looking at a light

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and then double that again and you're

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looking at a light our well stars are

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light-years away yet even in the light

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our you know would you still be able to

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see the Sun after you've doubled the

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distance double the distance double the

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distance seems to me that the Sun would

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disappear relatively quick in a light

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hour maybe a light day but never be

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visible in a light year or multiple

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light years as is the case with the

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Stars mm-hmm I mean it is a curious

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thing and to kind of dive deeper into

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the the problems with the mainstream

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theory I've heard you talk about how the

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math just doesn't work for the

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heliocentric globe model what are you

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referring to there I'm sure some of

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these things we're talking about now but

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can you give us some other examples well

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as far as the math you know mostly when

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you're talking about the speeds and the

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orbits and things like that I mean I do

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think that space is a mathematical

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construct so I definitely do think the

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math itself works but that doesn't mean

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that I find it to be reality right I

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mean I've said before that if I told you

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I had four million dollars in the bank

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and that I was spending two million

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today and then a million tomorrow that

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we would all agree that I would have a

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million dollars left after that the math

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works but that's not reality I don't

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have a thousand dollars in my bank

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account you know so math works yes but

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it doesn't always imply that what you're

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talking about mathematically exists in

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reality so when you talk about the earth

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spinning at a thousand miles per hour or

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going around the Sun at 66,000 miles per

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hour or the Sun and everything going

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around the Milky Way at four hundred

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eighty thousand miles per hour these

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speeds are all needed in their model and

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the question becomes do they work in

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reality or are they reality really if

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you picture yourself getting up away

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from the earth right now if we kind of

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took off in a little spacecraft and got

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outside of the earth and we're looking

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at the whole say solar system everything

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would actually be standing still

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that crazy speed seems crazy but it's

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because of the distance we have to

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travel right and we have to go 66,000

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miles per hour to get all the way around

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the I think it's 585 million mile yearly

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track that we have to go around the Sun

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and it's crazy that sounds and as fast

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as that sounds if you got up and we're

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looking at the whole system right now in

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real-time

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everything would be standing still

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because the distances are so vast that

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that's why the speed numbers are so big

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so it really seems to me to be a

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construct anybody who tells me the Sun

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that's in the sky is 93 million miles

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away and that it's a million times

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bigger than the earth that's pretty

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crazy and they better have a lot of

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evidence and proof to show me that and I

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don't think that they've ever gone that

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route it's not like they waited until we

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were old enough to question things to

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teach us these numbers in the way that

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the globe works they taught it to us

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when we were in you know first and

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second grade at a period in time where

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none of us had the capacity to even

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understand what they were telling us and

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when you don't have a chance of coming

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out of 4th 5th 6th grade without being a

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staunch believer in the globe model

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really it's a great setup if you're

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trying to deceive people because you

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know you get to this age and when you

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bring it up to people they will not even

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want to hear you because of what it

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implies and that implies that everything

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that they believe their entire life may

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not necessarily be the truth mm-hmm-hmm

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and what I do love about your channel

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and your work is you have the numbers

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and the details of the conventional

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paradigm down pat and it's just so funny

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because you bring this up to a lot of

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regular folks and they'll be like oh

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this is ridiculous the earth is clearly

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round you say ok well what's the

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diameter of the circumference of the

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earth like what are what are any of

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these numbers that you take blind faith

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in you just think oh they've got it but

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you really don't know anything about it

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but you're so sure that's the way it is

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it's like you can actually tell them

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you're supposed to be 25,000 miles

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around and it's just interesting that

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they don't even know these things and

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you know their paradigm better than the

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so-called true believers it's it's the

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way you have to do this kind of research

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yeah you have to know what it is that

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you are saying isn't true

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for me that was a big part of it is

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going through and actually looking at

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these numbers and just coming into some

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some strange ones I mean for instance

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the idea that the Sun you know as far as

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seasons they say that seasons are based

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off the angle of the Sun because during

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our summer are you in North America yes

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San Diego ok ok so we're both in

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California so when the Sun is and this

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will be something you can tell me what

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you think but the Sun would seem to me

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to be much closer during the summer it

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seems to be definitely more above my

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head during the summer it's definitely

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further south and it's lower in the sky

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seems like it's further away if I go out

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and look at a sunrise during the summer

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I can feel the heat on my face whereas

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if I go out during the winter when the

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Sun is a Zenith you know which would be

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a 12 o'clock I don't really feel the Sun

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I can see it off in the distance but it

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doesn't feel warm to me so the

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mainstream belief is that the Sun is

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actually 3 million miles closer during

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our winter and that to me is just crazy

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and 3 million miles may not seem like

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much when you're talking 93 million

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miles but then again it's 375 earth

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diameters so if you picture you know the

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earth is a ball and then make 375 more

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of those balls that's how closer the Sun

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is during the winter for us and I mean

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that to me doesn't seem to be the truth

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it just doesn't seem like it's a fact

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and that's what they tell us and so for

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me it's easier when I look at the Flat

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Earth model and I look at how that's

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been laid out for us and the ideas that

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people are starting to come to around

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the idea of the Flat Earth that's one in

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which it shows that the Sun is clearly

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closer to me during this summer and so

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you know I have to go with what evidence

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best fits my reality mmm and then as a

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conspiracy enthusiast I'm always

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frustrated in an argument when someone

427
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responds with well it's just too big of

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a secret there would be too many people

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involved I've heard that on everything

430
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from 9/11 to the moon landing and it's a

431
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pretty big assumption to hang your

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beliefs on but at the same time I do

433
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find myself making this very argument

434
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about the Flat Earth model however when

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you consider career fields that would

436
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involve the shape of the earth like

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surveying you do find some interesting

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things to quote your website you say

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you would think that a surveyor one who

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is attempting to retrieve the most

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accurate results of the ground they are

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surveying would have to adjust for or

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take into account the curvature of the

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earth but this is simply not how it is

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done

446
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notice to begin chapter two below from

447
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the basic surveying methods guide it

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states that most surveying activities

449
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are performed with the pseudo assumption

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that measurements are being made with

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reference to a flat horizontal surface

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then in diagram 2.1 comes the classic

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line quote by definition the curved

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surface of a sphere is termed a level

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surface and I mean that's a fairly

456
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strange statement you got to admit yeah

457
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there's a lot of them like that I mean

458
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really when you look at it it's

459
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basically a war of words because if you

460
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ask somebody who's a globe believer you

461
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know why is it sea level at say San

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Diego and also sea level in Australia

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and they'll tell you that both of those

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positions are level that's the word that

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they will use and so you're like okay

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well then the earth is flat is a plane

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and they'll say no because both areas

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the sea level in San Diego and in

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Australia are both equal distant from

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the center of the earth and therefore

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their level and that's where a lot of

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people just get to the point where you

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have to kind of throw up your hands and

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say well if that's allowed then you're

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right you'll never be disproven as far

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as the globe because you're just able to

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use metaphysical ideas and to me the

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whole idea of a ball and things pulling

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to the center of a sphere and gravity

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pulling to the center those things have

481
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not been proven as should be required of

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things before they're taught to first

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graders I've asked people before you

484
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know show me where things pull to the

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center of a sphere and they'll pull up

486
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some picture from the ISS where these

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guys are squeezing water out of a straw

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into a little ball and I'll say okay now

489
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that's them squeezing the water into a

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ball why don't you dump a pitcher of

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water in the you know space station well

492
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the pitcher of water would never get

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together and form a sphere it would be a

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disgusting mess all over the place and

495
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I've actually seen them drop like 30,000

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ping-pong balls inside of one of these

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parabolic flights and they didn't join

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together and make any kind of

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here they went all over the place until

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the plane came out of its parabolic arc

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and and they felled the floor so to me

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those are things that if I saw evidence

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that things pulled to the center of a

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sphere and you know these massive

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conglomerations of mass would then

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generate more things to the surface of

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the sphere then I might start to believe

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it but to me I don't ever see that I

509
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don't see any evidence of that I don't

510
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see any evidence that there can exist a

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sphere with water on its surface that

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doesn't fall off or these are the kind

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of things that you make you have to say

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is this really the truth or is it a

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metaphysical mathematical concept that

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they've convinced people was true and

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really isn't backed by the kind of

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evidence that should be required of

519
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anything that's considered scientific

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hmm and you know the gravity thing is

521
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where a lot of the debate on flat earth

522
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and round earth seem to devolve into to

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further your point there another quote

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from your site as you say a balloon

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filled with hydrogen which is the

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lightest of the gases and lighter than

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nitrogen oxygen and the rest of the

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elements that make up air will rise if

529
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release a balloon with helium will do

530
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the same because it is also lighter than

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the air around it but it will rise up

532
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slightly slower if however you have

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baseball and release it it will fall to

534
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the ground not because of gravity as you

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were taught

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but because the baseball weighs more

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than the air around it gravity is simply

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a magical word used for an

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all-encompassing force that does

540
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whatever is needed of it and in most

541
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cases it is used to prove a ball earth I

542
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think that's a fairly decent summary of

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what gravity would mean or what this

544
00:19:52,779 --> 00:19:49,820
force would be to a flat earth or in

545
00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:52,789
their model yeah and the only argument

546
00:19:57,759 --> 00:19:54,950
I've really got based on my opinion of

547
00:20:00,009 --> 00:19:57,769
low gravity is the continuing question

548
00:20:01,629 --> 00:20:00,019
of well why does it fall down you know

549
00:20:03,789 --> 00:20:01,639
why doesn't it fall up or why doesn't it

550
00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:03,799
fall to the side and to me it's just not

551
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:06,590
a fair argument because if it did fall

552
00:20:10,269 --> 00:20:08,210
any other direction then that would be

553
00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:10,279
down so it's not you know that's not

554
00:20:14,769 --> 00:20:12,769
really a good argument against what I'm

555
00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:14,779
saying what I'm saying is simply the

556
00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:17,809
earth seems to be constructed the way

557
00:20:22,060 --> 00:20:19,580
that you would expect which is the

558
00:20:24,430 --> 00:20:22,070
heavier elements being at the ball

559
00:20:26,590 --> 00:20:24,440
and as you go up things get lighter and

560
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,600
those things help me explain you know

561
00:20:31,030 --> 00:20:28,400
like you said a helium balloon which

562
00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:31,040
clearly has mass but it weighs less than

563
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,800
the air that's around it so it rises up

564
00:20:37,450 --> 00:20:35,840
and I've yet to hurt anybody who

565
00:20:39,940 --> 00:20:37,460
believes in the conventional idea of

566
00:20:41,950 --> 00:20:39,950
gravity be able to explain a helium

567
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:41,960
balloon because to me if you're

568
00:20:46,540 --> 00:20:44,330
believing in the Newtonian you know idea

569
00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:46,550
of gravity then you have two things of

570
00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:48,800
mass the earth and the balloon filled

571
00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:51,080
with helium and they should be attracted

572
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:52,790
to each other that's what gravity is

573
00:20:57,580 --> 00:20:55,130
it's at pulling force to pull those two

574
00:21:00,280 --> 00:20:57,590
things of mass together so why is the

575
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:00,290
helium balloon allowed to disrespect

576
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:02,210
gravity and do what it wants and move

577
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:03,890
away from it and that's something I

578
00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:05,210
haven't heard they'll bring in buoyancy

579
00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:06,860
and they'll bring in other things like

580
00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:08,750
that but they still don't answer the

581
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:11,180
question of why have you described a

582
00:21:16,750 --> 00:21:13,970
force a pulling force between two things

583
00:21:19,030 --> 00:21:16,760
of mass yet in this case it's allowed to

584
00:21:20,650 --> 00:21:19,040
go against that so to me it just makes

585
00:21:22,030 --> 00:21:20,660
more sense than when you really look at

586
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:22,040
the word gravity which comes from

587
00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:25,010
gravitas which means weight that's what

588
00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:27,260
I think essentially you know gravity is

589
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:30,560
it's simply the weight of items and if

590
00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:31,970
they are heavier than their surrounding

591
00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:34,070
area they're going to fall down and if

592
00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:36,110
they're lighter they rise up and it's

593
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,670
that simple and I think that yeah the

594
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:39,440
idea of gravity is kind of a magical

595
00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:42,290
word and they need it and when they

596
00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:44,990
looked at the universe and saw galaxies

597
00:21:49,330 --> 00:21:47,750
and things in the distance didn't act as

598
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,340
they were supposed to her as gravity

599
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:51,440
dictates well they didn't go back like

600
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,730
you're supposed to in science and

601
00:21:58,270 --> 00:21:55,520
reevaluate your theory of gravity

602
00:22:00,460 --> 00:21:58,280
instead they just made up dark energy

603
00:22:02,350 --> 00:22:00,470
and dark matter and just said these

604
00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:02,360
things exist we've never observed them

605
00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:04,520
but they must exist and the reason why

606
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:06,470
for that ultimately is because they know

607
00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:09,530
they can't go back and examine gravity

608
00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:11,510
or else how is the earth about to start

609
00:22:16,990 --> 00:22:14,360
but I mean that's an interesting point

610
00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:17,000
and so a lot of the time when trying to

611
00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:19,700
make a case for a huge widely accepted

612
00:22:24,670 --> 00:22:21,950
lie I find it helpful to go back to the

613
00:22:26,830 --> 00:22:24,680
origins of that lie and lay out where it

614
00:22:28,150 --> 00:22:26,840
comes from how it was spread can you

615
00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:28,160
talk to us a little bit about the

616
00:22:32,050 --> 00:22:30,620
heliocentric globe model and how such a

617
00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:32,060
paradigm change could have been

618
00:22:35,869 --> 00:22:33,740
accomplished I mean what can be said

619
00:22:37,579 --> 00:22:35,879
about the people involved in their field

620
00:22:39,379 --> 00:22:37,589
Asians that might cause us to be more

621
00:22:42,229 --> 00:22:39,389
skeptical of their motivations you're

622
00:22:44,059 --> 00:22:42,239
like who's behind this yeah it just

623
00:22:46,399 --> 00:22:44,069
depends on whose evidence you believe

624
00:22:49,309 --> 00:22:46,409
because really now what science has done

625
00:22:51,019 --> 00:22:49,319
is they've taken away the idea of the

626
00:22:53,629 --> 00:22:51,029
Flat Earth and said no which is the

627
00:22:55,729 --> 00:22:53,639
concept that was invented and it never

628
00:22:57,349 --> 00:22:55,739
was believed that you know people have

629
00:22:59,389 --> 00:22:57,359
known for thousands of years when really

630
00:23:00,949 --> 00:22:59,399
if you look at it and do some of your

631
00:23:02,749 --> 00:23:00,959
own research you'll see books that

632
00:23:04,579 --> 00:23:02,759
clearly were written in the 1800s that

633
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:04,589
talked about the fact that Columbus was

634
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:07,529
somebody saying that he thought that it

635
00:23:11,659 --> 00:23:10,169
wasn't true and he could go around and

636
00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:11,669
there was a lot of people at the time

637
00:23:15,769 --> 00:23:13,799
Spanish queens and kings and people like

638
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:15,779
that they were a believer that if you

639
00:23:18,619 --> 00:23:17,129
went off that direction that you would

640
00:23:20,269 --> 00:23:18,629
just disappear you would fall off the

641
00:23:22,999 --> 00:23:20,279
edge or whatever they believed I was

642
00:23:24,709 --> 00:23:23,009
taught that yeah exactly and that seems

643
00:23:26,419 --> 00:23:24,719
like it was kind of the truth now at a

644
00:23:28,729 --> 00:23:26,429
certain point they want people to stop

645
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:28,739
believing that so they said oh no with

646
00:23:32,869 --> 00:23:31,049
Washington Carver and he made up the

647
00:23:35,419 --> 00:23:32,879
story about Columbus thinking this and

648
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,429
really people have always known but if

649
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:37,440
you think about it I mean the printing

650
00:23:41,709 --> 00:23:38,940
press didn't come into you know

651
00:23:44,959 --> 00:23:41,719
existence until the 1600s so before that

652
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,969
nobody was really a learned scholar you

653
00:23:48,739 --> 00:23:46,559
would add scribes that knew had a reason

654
00:23:50,659 --> 00:23:48,749
right but besides that most people were

655
00:23:52,369 --> 00:23:50,669
illiterate so anything that they would

656
00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:52,379
have thought or believed would have been

657
00:23:55,069 --> 00:23:54,059
by word of mouth and so there wasn't a

658
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:55,079
general idea

659
00:23:59,239 --> 00:23:57,179
oh all these scholars believe this or

660
00:24:01,129 --> 00:23:59,249
that I think what happened was is that

661
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:01,139
they realized when they started printing

662
00:24:05,239 --> 00:24:03,179
books that they could print whatever

663
00:24:07,939 --> 00:24:05,249
they wanted and I do agree with the idea

664
00:24:09,469 --> 00:24:07,949
a little bit where you say well this is

665
00:24:11,389 --> 00:24:09,479
too big of a conspiracy because it

666
00:24:13,399 --> 00:24:11,399
certainly seems like this is so

667
00:24:15,769 --> 00:24:13,409
monumental and so big about the very

668
00:24:17,509 --> 00:24:15,779
foundation of where we live but really

669
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,519
when you take a look and step back and

670
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:20,159
see that by putting it in books it would

671
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,159
have taken but one generation to have

672
00:24:27,709 --> 00:24:25,440
the people who were taught that become

673
00:24:29,959 --> 00:24:27,719
your teachers and then they teach the

674
00:24:31,609 --> 00:24:29,969
new students and from there you know the

675
00:24:32,959 --> 00:24:31,619
whole story would kind of go on its own

676
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:32,969
and that's kind of what I think happened

677
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:35,369
and you know if you ask me personally I

678
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:37,289
do think that they originally some of

679
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:38,940
these guys of science thought that the

680
00:24:43,459 --> 00:24:41,609
earth was a ball they saw boats go off

681
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:43,469
in the distance they would slowly

682
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:45,179
disappear and to them it would look like

683
00:24:49,339 --> 00:24:46,919
they disappeared from the bottom up and

684
00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:49,349
then when it they said all those people

685
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:49,620
must

686
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,940
they'll offer they you know who knows

687
00:24:54,290 --> 00:24:52,559
what well when the people came back they

688
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:54,300
said we're worried where'd you go they

689
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:55,710
said we just went that way and they so

690
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:57,570
we thought you disappeared they said no

691
00:25:01,760 --> 00:24:59,280
you just keep going so they kind of said

692
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:01,770
oh well they must be going around a ball

693
00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:03,720
so I do think that they believed that

694
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:06,030
for a period of time now when they would

695
00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:07,890
have realized that wasn't the truth I'm

696
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:09,300
not really sure if it would have been

697
00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:12,150
you know 1718 hundreds I don't know when

698
00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:13,830
that would have been but when they did

699
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:15,380
realize that I think that they realized

700
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:19,170
shoot if we admit this now after they

701
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:21,270
kind of you know outs the church and

702
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,740
told the church you were wrong and

703
00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:24,360
science is better than the church which

704
00:25:27,620 --> 00:25:26,070
I agree with and I don't want to live in

705
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:27,630
a world that you know run by the

706
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:29,010
Catholic Church either so you know I

707
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:30,750
appreciate science for doing what they

708
00:25:34,460 --> 00:25:33,090
did in that regard but at a certain

709
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,470
point when they realized they were wrong

710
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:35,760
about something they should have been

711
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:37,890
upfront about it and said you know our

712
00:25:41,270 --> 00:25:39,510
investigations have shown that this is

713
00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:41,280
actually true and then they go on from

714
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,590
there but I really think that the idea

715
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:45,900
of a flat earth kind of leads to the

716
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:48,840
idea of a creator or a purpose or a

717
00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:51,480
reason or a specialness about the earth

718
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:53,550
and I think that science was always

719
00:25:57,410 --> 00:25:55,230
afraid of that and then always afraid

720
00:25:59,270 --> 00:25:57,420
that they would be doing themselves a

721
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,280
disservice by admitting that they were

722
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:00,720
wrong about that and I think they took

723
00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:02,220
the lesser of two evils they just

724
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:03,720
figured we'll keep up with this lie and

725
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:06,960
we'll be able to continue our march of

726
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,480
science as long as we don't tell people

727
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:11,760
this truth you know and that's where it

728
00:26:15,290 --> 00:26:13,650
becomes anybody's guess it depends on

729
00:26:18,860 --> 00:26:15,300
the you know the research that you do

730
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,870
whether or not you see that same kind of

731
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:21,179
feeling but it looks to me like a lot of

732
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:24,059
science has always tried to be in every

733
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:26,610
facet against the idea of a creator or

734
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:28,770
any question that comes to mind that

735
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:31,080
they can't answer so the whole idea of

736
00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:32,070
the earth being the center of the

737
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:33,990
universe is the same thing that they

738
00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:36,390
will never allow anything to be anywhere

739
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,800
close to the earth being at the center

740
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:39,600
because the next question becomes you

741
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:41,340
know who put us here or why why are we

742
00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:43,170
the center and that something science

743
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:45,150
can't answer so instead they would

744
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:47,370
rather push us out to the outskirts of

745
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:49,890
some arm of the Milky Way and say that

746
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:51,510
you know over on a balloon and it's

747
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:53,010
expanding and so everything's moving

748
00:26:57,530 --> 00:26:55,650
away from us because really all things

749
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:57,540
can be explained much easier by saying

750
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:59,250
we're the center of the universe then it

751
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,320
makes sense that all galaxies move away

752
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:03,360
from us because we're the center

753
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:05,340
there's a lot of observations that prove

754
00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:07,890
that but science won't even consider

755
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:09,270
that thought and that's what tells me

756
00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:11,400
that they're not exactly science you

757
00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:12,630
know it's not science like we were

758
00:27:17,419 --> 00:27:15,140
taught with the scientific method and

759
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:17,429
not being biased I mean they're

760
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:19,530
completely biased again I understand why

761
00:27:24,919 --> 00:27:21,929
I mean I think my wife said it the other

762
00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:24,929
day she said that peer review is just a

763
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,470
veiled word for conspiracy and it kind

764
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:30,720
of is yeah the idea of peer review is

765
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:34,140
really just men getting together who and

766
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:35,340
we have to understand that they're human

767
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,230
beings I think we were taught this idea

768
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:40,320
of scientists like they're above petty

769
00:27:44,299 --> 00:27:42,600
human thoughts and opinions when really

770
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:44,309
they are humans and all of us have to

771
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:46,140
agree that you know Neil deGrasse Tyson

772
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,179
or somebody like that is never going to

773
00:27:52,669 --> 00:27:50,640
consider the thought that maybe they've

774
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:52,679
been lying to people for thirty years

775
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:54,600
that maybe the things that they studied

776
00:27:57,650 --> 00:27:56,370
in school aren't the truth and maybe

777
00:28:01,520 --> 00:27:57,660
they've been standing up in front of

778
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:01,530
audiences for years and teaching a false

779
00:28:05,659 --> 00:28:03,929
idea they could never even consider that

780
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:05,669
thought and because all their friends

781
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:07,530
are in the scientific community all

782
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:10,140
their family considers them smart and so

783
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:12,360
you know that's where I start to see oh

784
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,520
okay that makes sense to me that a peer

785
00:28:20,150 --> 00:28:17,220
review group which is say thirty guys

786
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,160
say 300 guys doesn't matter who have

787
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:22,380
spent their entire careers building

788
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:23,910
their ideas and thoughts and papers

789
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,760
around a certain foundation and so any

790
00:28:31,159 --> 00:28:28,799
paper that comes across their desk that

791
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,169
is questioning that very foundation I

792
00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:32,880
don't think they're in a position to

793
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:36,419
even question that truthfully right yeah

794
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:38,760
you're even being pretty kind giving

795
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:39,929
them the benefit of the doubt because I

796
00:28:44,539 --> 00:28:42,090
would think a guy in a position like

797
00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:44,549
Neil deGrasse Tyson would be a willful

798
00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:47,669
deceiver rather than just someone who's

799
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,070
stubborn on something they know we're

800
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:52,740
taught in school but you are right about

801
00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:55,470
those pretty serious spiritual

802
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:57,059
implications for the Flat Earth model

803
00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:58,620
and I'm honestly not in love with them

804
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,799
but I can see how if the elites goal was

805
00:29:06,860 --> 00:29:04,440
to distract humanity from the idea of a

806
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:06,870
Creator God you would have to go to

807
00:29:11,270 --> 00:29:08,760
these lengths to do it you would have to

808
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:11,280
create an entire narrative and paradigm

809
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:13,410
that could explain the emergence of our

810
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,830
reality without that creator

811
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:17,840
it seems very difficult to do and

812
00:29:22,990 --> 00:29:19,850
they've had to go to great lengths to do

813
00:29:25,779 --> 00:29:23,000
it but there are also apparently deep

814
00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:25,789
esoteric deceptions promoted by

815
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:28,070
Freemasonry even to the point that the

816
00:29:33,009 --> 00:29:30,890
square and compass their symbol I mean a

817
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:33,019
square measures things on a flat surface

818
00:29:39,399 --> 00:29:36,200
the compass makes a circle and I think

819
00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:39,409
it was manly P Hall said that at the

820
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:43,640
deepest levels of Freemasonry it has to

821
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:45,860
do with the shape of the earth that flat

822
00:29:49,629 --> 00:29:47,809
is for the profane masses and a sphere

823
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:49,639
is enlightened and I think this is

824
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:51,049
almost just like their religious

825
00:29:56,350 --> 00:29:53,570
doctrine they're trying to force out

826
00:29:58,029 --> 00:29:56,360
into the culture but it is weird the

827
00:30:00,340 --> 00:29:58,039
deeper you get into conspiracy the more

828
00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:00,350
intertwined religion spirituality and

829
00:30:04,810 --> 00:30:02,120
the cult do seem to be at the center of

830
00:30:07,509 --> 00:30:04,820
so much we have these ancient myths and

831
00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:07,519
archetypes also of characters trying to

832
00:30:11,889 --> 00:30:09,500
get one over on the gods or overcome

833
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:11,899
this Creator who regulated us to this

834
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:14,120
construct and I have had a lot of guests

835
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:15,440
talking about their thoughts on the

836
00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:17,510
elites true agenda to sort of jailbreak

837
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,940
our environment which sort of lines up

838
00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:21,919
with these mythological stories maybe

839
00:30:26,289 --> 00:30:23,320
it's a pattern that just keeps repeating

840
00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:26,299
but do you consider that some aspect of

841
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:28,220
the elites agenda that it might be in

842
00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:30,409
line with this idea of busting out of

843
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:32,230
here or at least trying to

844
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:34,850
yeah and I've seen a lot of evidence of

845
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:37,700
it one of the places that NASA is called

846
00:30:42,129 --> 00:30:40,370
the neutral buoyancy lab it's where

847
00:30:43,419 --> 00:30:42,139
they've got that huge pool it's like one

848
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:43,429
of the biggest pools in the world and

849
00:30:47,529 --> 00:30:45,380
they do all their training for

850
00:30:49,899 --> 00:30:47,539
spacewalks inside of it and there's this

851
00:30:52,269 --> 00:30:49,909
big mural on the side of the wall that's

852
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,279
got kind of the Vitruvian Man and he's

853
00:30:56,259 --> 00:30:54,320
inside of this circle and then there's a

854
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,269
scuba diver swimming to them and handing

855
00:31:02,200 --> 00:30:59,120
them a tool and in the upper corner is a

856
00:31:04,659 --> 00:31:02,210
rocket that is breaking out of a glass

857
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:04,669
enclosure that is closing this man in

858
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:07,519
and so yeah I see it everywhere and you

859
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:10,130
know one of the Masonic terms that they

860
00:31:15,009 --> 00:31:12,769
use or one of their little sayings is on

861
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:15,019
the level that the Masons are on the

862
00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:16,760
level and I've always considered that

863
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:19,820
and interesting right and so yeah seems

864
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:21,289
like the whole idea of the square and

865
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,450
compass and the way that the Sun rises

866
00:31:27,490 --> 00:31:25,760
and sets is all tied together I mean

867
00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:27,500
that whole angle that they have of the

868
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:27,900
cup

869
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:30,810
is the angle difference between the Sun

870
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:33,330
rising at each of the solstices from

871
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:34,980
your location meaning that there's that

872
00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:37,050
same angle if you look at where it rises

873
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:39,300
those two different times a year so I

874
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:41,310
think that it definitely is encoded in

875
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,080
these ancient beliefs and these ancient

876
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,840
thoughts it's pretty obvious to me and a

877
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:47,340
lot of people just want to ignore the

878
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:49,860
connections with NASA and the occult

879
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:53,130
Jack Parsons in the occult and it's you

880
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:55,110
seen it more than anybody that it is

881
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:57,270
everywhere right and another thing I

882
00:32:00,800 --> 00:31:59,220
found interesting in your videos is the

883
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:00,810
breakdown of how much science fiction

884
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:03,690
actually inspired the quote real science

885
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:07,140
for example arthur c clarke he came up

886
00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:08,700
with the idea for satellites in an

887
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:10,590
article about hypothetical future

888
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,130
technology nasa seems to have

889
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:15,840
constructed the moon landing missions

890
00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:17,850
around a template from a Jules Verne

891
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:19,830
book like three American astronauts

892
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:22,410
multiple similarities they recovered the

893
00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:24,570
pod from the ocean it's like they just

894
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,670
copied what he wrote and then did a

895
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:28,860
staged version of it and promoted it as

896
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:31,590
real and also William S Burroughs went

897
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:32,850
so far as to say in a speech that

898
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,400
science fiction writers quote laid the

899
00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:38,220
blueprint for the Space Age and it does

900
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:39,420
start to get you thinking how strange

901
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:42,360
would it be for real technologies to

902
00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:44,160
actually follow behind works of fiction

903
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,590
so closely yeah it's really strange

904
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:48,000
especially like you said the Jules Verne

905
00:32:51,890 --> 00:32:50,130
book and there's a lot of instances

906
00:32:54,170 --> 00:32:51,900
where people who have called certain

907
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:54,180
events hoaxes seem to have been

908
00:32:58,910 --> 00:32:57,840
basically crafted after some story that

909
00:33:00,260 --> 00:32:58,920
was written years earlier I don't know

910
00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:00,270
if you've heard about the book that

911
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:03,630
Titan mmm-hmm the Titanic right which is

912
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,620
the book that was written about the

913
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:07,020
Titanic and was about a boat the Titan

914
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:09,480
that was sailing in between London and

915
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:11,220
New York and it sees almost the exact

916
00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:12,870
same story they didn't have enough

917
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:14,940
lifeboats to you know save everyone on

918
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:17,670
board it's just crazy that these events

919
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:19,770
would happen right after these books

920
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,820
were written and when you go and look

921
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:22,620
into these authors they're usually a

922
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,100
part of these Masonic clubs or groups so

923
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:28,380
yeah definitely interesting stuff there

924
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:29,700
and you're right about arthur c clarke

925
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:32,490
and the idea of satellites and really

926
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,230
you know that's one that I think is

927
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:37,080
really gets people upset when you say

928
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:39,210
that satellites don't exist and when I

929
00:33:42,650 --> 00:33:41,430
say that you know I don't just

930
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,660
in order to say that they can't put

931
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:44,460
balloons up that stay up for an

932
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:46,140
incredible amount of time they can

933
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:49,140
basically control their rising and

934
00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:51,240
falling such a small amount that they

935
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:52,920
can keep them up for you know up to a

936
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:54,930
year at a time so I don't discredit that

937
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,870
our Direct TV satellite could be pointed

938
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,640
towards some balloon in the sky

939
00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:01,440
that's not out of the realm of

940
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:03,180
possibilities at all but what is out of

941
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:04,650
the realm of possibilities in my opinion

942
00:34:09,410 --> 00:34:07,380
is the huge metal crafts that go up and

943
00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:09,420
get placed into orbit because they're

944
00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:11,820
all based on basically arthur c clarke

945
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,180
and Newton and Newton basically told a

946
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:16,980
thought experiment where he said if you

947
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:18,600
had a cannon at the top of the earth and

948
00:34:22,820 --> 00:34:20,610
if you shot it short it would hit the

949
00:34:24,890 --> 00:34:22,830
earth and if you shot it too far too

950
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:24,900
fast it would go out into space but if

951
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:27,540
you shot it at the perfect speed that it

952
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:29,730
would fall and just continue to fall

953
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,940
around the earth for all time and I

954
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:34,500
think that that is something that again

955
00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:37,260
hasn't been proven to the level that I

956
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:39,030
think it should be if we're going to all

957
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,890
believe in these satellites that would

958
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:42,960
be out there getting pelted by solar

959
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:45,030
storms would be getting hit by micro

960
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:47,910
meteoroids and all this damage should be

961
00:34:52,910 --> 00:34:50,730
done in the very hot thermosphere right

962
00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:52,920
and it just seems crazy and they have

963
00:34:56,660 --> 00:34:54,360
these little jets on them that keeps

964
00:34:58,610 --> 00:34:56,670
them in orbit and I know people say they

965
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:58,620
see them but again you don't know what

966
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,060
you're seeing it could be a balloon it

967
00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:01,680
could be a balloon that's glistening in

968
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:04,350
the sunlight that's up not even as high

969
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:06,540
as they tell us but yeah for all that

970
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:08,970
they give us with GPS and I mean if you

971
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:10,890
believe in GPS the idea of these

972
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:13,020
satellites that are up there that are

973
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,450
basically triangulating your location

974
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,220
you have to believe that these things

975
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,800
are measuring the time that it takes to

976
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:21,900
send things by the speed of light and

977
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:24,120
then multiplying that a lot when really

978
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:26,490
we know how triangulation works and you

979
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:29,970
can just simply do it on a 2d plane with

980
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:32,790
three locations basically three points

981
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,470
and then wherever you're at you send out

982
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:36,480
these beams and by using those three

983
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:37,770
points you can narrow it down to one

984
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:40,440
spot by just using radiuses of circles

985
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,450
that if you have point number a and

986
00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:44,520
there's a radius around it well now you

987
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:46,350
know that this person is located at a

988
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,450
certain radius from that circle and then

989
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:50,400
you go another circle from another tower

990
00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:52,770
and wherever it's at now you're narrowed

991
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:54,520
down to two locations because

992
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:56,110
those two circles would only cross at

993
00:35:59,760 --> 00:35:57,940
two points and then you do it again from

994
00:36:02,460 --> 00:35:59,770
the third location and that will give

995
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:02,470
you your exact location so this is

996
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:04,030
something that I think the Loran system

997
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:05,350
and GLONASS and these kind of things

998
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:07,870
there's been papers written that hey if

999
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:09,900
we do this kind of GPS from ground-based

1000
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:12,850
stations it would be exponentially

1001
00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:15,610
cheaper and so to believe in satellites

1002
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,780
you have to believe that we want to do

1003
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:18,640
things more expensively we want to take

1004
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:21,250
into account the speed of light when

1005
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:23,110
these beams are going through atmosphere

1006
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:25,810
and and weather which would you think

1007
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:28,750
slow down these beams yet people want to

1008
00:36:32,430 --> 00:36:30,430
believe in the idea of satellites for

1009
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:32,440
whatever reason when I think it was just

1010
00:36:38,190 --> 00:36:35,820
a story and a way to steal money

1011
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:38,200
provocative man and I've also looked

1012
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,970
pretty heavily into the accounts of

1013
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:42,640
early explorers especially around the

1014
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:44,170
polar regions because I've been a fan of

1015
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:45,850
the Hollow Earth theory for a long time

1016
00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:47,410
and when you read what some of these

1017
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:49,960
explorers have said about birds around

1018
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:51,970
the North Pole migrating further north

1019
00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:55,810
or warm polar seas you find a lot that

1020
00:36:59,820 --> 00:36:57,730
you wouldn't expect to find in the

1021
00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:59,830
traditional model and the treaties and

1022
00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:01,540
regulations that keep people away from

1023
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:03,430
these areas only adds fuel to the

1024
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:05,170
speculation but I've heard you talk

1025
00:37:09,570 --> 00:37:07,090
about explorers like Captain Cook and

1026
00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:09,580
Magellan and that their logs actually

1027
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:11,620
support a Flat Earth model can you

1028
00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:14,110
elaborate on that a little bit yeah and

1029
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:15,400
I think that's you know a tough subject

1030
00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:17,770
because when those guys got back and

1031
00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:20,230
turned their logbooks over to the king

1032
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:22,540
or queen it was years until those

1033
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:24,940
logbooks were made public so it's hard

1034
00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:26,850
to know what exactly was changed

1035
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,740
especially like cooks second journey

1036
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:32,560
which was the one where supposedly he

1037
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:34,210
claims to have not found the southern

1038
00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:35,800
continent and says that you know

1039
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:38,590
basically one doesn't exist but when he

1040
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:40,870
got back and turned his logs over it

1041
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:42,730
wasn't until after he was dead until

1042
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:45,190
that logbook even came out which was on

1043
00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:47,050
his third journey so that's how long it

1044
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:49,180
takes for these logs to even come out so

1045
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:51,190
you know that's the kind of thing where

1046
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:52,360
I start questioning but yeah when you

1047
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,000
look at the distances that they traveled

1048
00:38:01,590 --> 00:37:58,720
Magellan or cook cook did I think almost

1049
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:01,600
60,000 miles on his second journey and

1050
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:03,250
when you look it up online you'll find

1051
00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:04,870
the path that they'll show you the path

1052
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:06,520
but it's basically like he just wandered

1053
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:08,110
around going nor

1054
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,210
going south going north going south same

1055
00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:12,160
thing with Magellan who didn't even make

1056
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:14,230
it back he died on that journey as well

1057
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:16,660
and then you look at the British ship

1058
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:19,060
challenger which went around the south

1059
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,730
and I think it came back at 69 thousand

1060
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:23,680
miles so when you hear that and you

1061
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:25,510
realize okay well with an equator of

1062
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:29,230
24,000 901 journey around the southern

1063
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:32,290
latitudes should be less than that I

1064
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:34,810
could see it being equal to that if you

1065
00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:36,250
were not quite sure where you were going

1066
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:37,540
and you were traveling north and south

1067
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:39,790
but to think that it would be 3 or 4

1068
00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:41,470
times the circumference of the globe

1069
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,660
seems ridiculous to me

1070
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:45,520
and it makes more sense when you look at

1071
00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:47,530
the Flat Earth model that they were

1072
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:50,590
traveling in a circle around the Flat

1073
00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:53,770
Earth and the Rings yeah right it's

1074
00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:55,900
interested in of course every case for

1075
00:38:59,250 --> 00:38:57,160
the Hollow Earth is going to bring up

1076
00:39:01,230 --> 00:38:59,260
Admiral Byrd before long but how do you

1077
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,240
interpret that saga from a flowers

1078
00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:04,000
perspective yeah you know for me I have

1079
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:05,350
a hard time putting any faith in any

1080
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:07,750
kind of mason fair enough so it would

1081
00:39:13,050 --> 00:39:10,660
bird I have never really put much into

1082
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:13,060
him because I think also the journey the

1083
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,830
logbook that talks about him going into

1084
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:16,480
the earth I think was written by his

1085
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,340
nephew if I'm not mistaken or not

1086
00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:20,560
written by his nephew rillette you found

1087
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:23,020
yeah right and said that you know it was

1088
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:24,490
written by Byrd but we can't be sure of

1089
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:27,870
that but you know as far as the idea of

1090
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:31,360
going north and finding lush lands and

1091
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:33,250
mountains and you know I definitely

1092
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:35,710
don't discredit that I think for my

1093
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:37,960
opinion of the Flat Earth is a little

1094
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:39,340
different you know a lot of people draw

1095
00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:42,250
the idea of the Gleason's map well I

1096
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:44,620
tend to think that if you really took a

1097
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:46,570
plane of existence kind of picture all

1098
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:49,090
these continents on a plane and you

1099
00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:50,980
created this idea of longitude and

1100
00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:53,380
latitude with the center being the North

1101
00:39:59,130 --> 00:39:56,620
Pole that you could trap people in that

1102
00:40:01,230 --> 00:39:59,140
area as a circle because anywhere you

1103
00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:01,240
travel your compass has to adjust to the

1104
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,100
north and so you're basically just going

1105
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:04,720
to be doing circles around the north and

1106
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:07,360
that's what it looks like they did so as

1107
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:09,130
far as if you went further into the

1108
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,590
north and who knows what your compass

1109
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:12,880
would do I've never been there I can't

1110
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:14,710
say but maybe somebody thought they were

1111
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:17,050
going into the earth and did see lush

1112
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:19,480
gardens or lush mountains and animals

1113
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:21,430
and so those are the kind of things I

1114
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:21,950
mean I'm

1115
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:23,570
have you looked into the idea of the

1116
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:26,450
iron republic you read that book yet no

1117
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:27,290
I have not

1118
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:29,150
very interesting so yeah there's this

1119
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:31,609
guy JT Ellington I think or JP Ellington

1120
00:40:38,349 --> 00:40:35,810
who wrote in a 1902 issue or a volume of

1121
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:38,359
the Florida magazine which only lasted

1122
00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:42,290
1902 1903 and in that magazine he wrote

1123
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:44,540
a story called the iron Republican at

1124
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:46,130
the beginning of it he talks about how

1125
00:40:50,319 --> 00:40:48,980
when the story is over that the ideas of

1126
00:40:53,140 --> 00:40:50,329
science are going to need to be

1127
00:40:55,329 --> 00:40:53,150
rewritten to a site etic method because

1128
00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:55,339
the earth is a plane and then he goes on

1129
00:40:59,530 --> 00:40:56,990
to tell a story that basically he lost

1130
00:41:01,450 --> 00:40:59,540
some election and bought a boat and went

1131
00:41:03,550 --> 00:41:01,460
down south and when they were traveling

1132
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:03,560
down there they saw this opening like an

1133
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,540
inlet and they went into it and there

1134
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:07,280
was like a such a strong current that it

1135
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:08,450
carried him all the way through this

1136
00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:09,820
Inlet when they came out the other side

1137
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:11,780
they didn't know where they were they

1138
00:41:16,359 --> 00:41:13,849
just kept traveling after a month or two

1139
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:16,369
they ran into a new continent called the

1140
00:41:19,150 --> 00:41:17,180
iron Republic

1141
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:19,160
sounds like a fantastical story but the

1142
00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:21,310
more you read it he starts talking about

1143
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,400
airplanes and magnetic levitation being

1144
00:41:30,970 --> 00:41:28,160
used as means of mass transit talks

1145
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:30,980
about basically like Siri or those kind

1146
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:31,369
of things

1147
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:33,290
you know basically a box it sits on your

1148
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:34,970
desk that tells you the news and things

1149
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:36,530
like that so he's talking about all

1150
00:41:40,569 --> 00:41:38,540
these things in 1902 actually this story

1151
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,579
was written around that time 1902 or

1152
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,520
1901 so it seems crazy that he would

1153
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,200
ever tell the story and it was over the

1154
00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:47,839
course of several issues and then at the

1155
00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:49,880
end of the story he's kind of coming

1156
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:51,380
back and saying okay I'm coming back

1157
00:41:57,099 --> 00:41:53,569
home and he starts talking about the

1158
00:41:59,859 --> 00:41:57,109
24-hour son and how the globe works it

1159
00:42:02,680 --> 00:41:59,869
completely seems like a new author and

1160
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,690
for anybody who reads like I do you can

1161
00:42:06,430 --> 00:42:04,640
tell an author's writing style and I can

1162
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:06,440
tell that the end of this story is

1163
00:42:10,450 --> 00:42:08,420
written by somebody else it's not the

1164
00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:10,460
same author so crazy things like that

1165
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:12,230
and basically he was saying is that

1166
00:42:18,819 --> 00:42:15,920
there is another side or you know more

1167
00:42:20,829 --> 00:42:18,829
water beyond Antarctica that he went

1168
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,839
through this so-called ice wall because

1169
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,920
it opened up and so then I started

1170
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:23,599
thinking about the whole idea of global

1171
00:42:28,809 --> 00:42:26,510
warming and are they afraid that maybe

1172
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:28,819
during certain times they get so warm

1173
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:31,369
that chunks of the Antarctic continent

1174
00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:33,560
or ice ring whatever fall off and maybe

1175
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:35,900
inlets open and they want to really make

1176
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,170
sure that nobody notices or sees that

1177
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:40,880
they can go through that to another side

1178
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:42,410
so there's lots of things that are

1179
00:42:46,809 --> 00:42:44,420
interesting about the Hollow Earth or

1180
00:42:49,029 --> 00:42:46,819
people called it puddle theory which is

1181
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:49,039
basically like we are a puddle right in

1182
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:51,470
the middle of ice right yeah and the ice

1183
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,180
walls are just barriers between

1184
00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:55,760
different pens for Humanity right yeah

1185
00:43:00,220 --> 00:42:58,910
it's crazy man I love that kind of stuff

1186
00:43:03,099 --> 00:43:00,230
and in one of your videos you also

1187
00:43:05,049 --> 00:43:03,109
talked about a few Arctic explorers that

1188
00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:05,059
recorded scene land in the North had

1189
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,680
never made it on the official maps for

1190
00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:08,960
example Perry said he discovered a new

1191
00:43:12,819 --> 00:43:11,240
land mass he called Crocker land and

1192
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,829
then there was another Explorer who

1193
00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:14,960
recorded a place he called Bradley land

1194
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:17,000
I guess you could say that these were

1195
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:19,910
possibly misidentified places but what

1196
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:21,529
are your thoughts on those records and

1197
00:43:25,630 --> 00:43:24,170
what actually might be in what we refer

1198
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:25,640
to as the North but I guess would

1199
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:27,410
actually be the center of the bullseye

1200
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:29,630
in the Flat Earth model yeah and I think

1201
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:31,700
that when it comes down to there is that

1202
00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:33,500
it's hard to trust any of that right

1203
00:43:38,349 --> 00:43:36,260
because we don't know it and so for me I

1204
00:43:41,769 --> 00:43:38,359
just think it's so important that we get

1205
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:41,779
actual real explorers who are willing to

1206
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:43,730
go out and look for these things now and

1207
00:43:47,289 --> 00:43:45,770
not just go with the mainstream

1208
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:47,299
narrative which is everything's been

1209
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:49,130
discovered we live on this ball every

1210
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:52,010
piece of it's been explored and just

1211
00:43:55,329 --> 00:43:53,270
drop it at that you know I think that

1212
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:55,339
there's so much more that can be

1213
00:44:00,640 --> 00:43:57,770
traversed or looked into or researched

1214
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,650
and they're clearly not allowing that

1215
00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:02,480
kind of research like Antarctica is the

1216
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:04,520
key to whether or not the earth is a

1217
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:06,650
globe and they have the Antarctic Treaty

1218
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:08,630
people think you can just go down there

1219
00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:10,190
but it's not that easy you know they've

1220
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:12,559
got laws saying you can't carry fuel

1221
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:14,990
below 60 degrees and if that's the case

1222
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:16,700
then you can't go down there for any

1223
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:18,410
amount of time because you'll run out of

1224
00:44:21,849 --> 00:44:20,690
fuel so you basically can go down there

1225
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:21,859
cruise around for a little bit and you

1226
00:44:25,269 --> 00:44:23,630
have to get right back up all the

1227
00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:25,279
cruises that go down there all go to

1228
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:27,349
that little I know what you want to call

1229
00:44:31,779 --> 00:44:29,420
a little island tale that kind of pops

1230
00:44:33,549 --> 00:44:31,789
out by South America all the cruises go

1231
00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:33,559
down there it's not like you can go to

1232
00:44:36,789 --> 00:44:35,180
different areas and all the people who

1233
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:36,799
work there work in very specific

1234
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:39,890
locations and I've even read blogs from

1235
00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:41,900
those people saying you're not even

1236
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:44,059
allowed to go on your own anywhere you

1237
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:45,200
always have to take somebody with you

1238
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,730
and even if you do take somebody with

1239
00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:49,119
you there's only three or four

1240
00:44:52,049 --> 00:44:50,799
of trails that you have to stay on

1241
00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:52,059
you're not allowed to do your own

1242
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:54,190
exploring so there's a lot of things set

1243
00:44:58,559 --> 00:44:55,690
up there that seem like if they were

1244
00:45:00,269 --> 00:44:58,569
trying to deceive people that's exactly

1245
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,279
how they would do it and the fact that

1246
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:02,319
you know planes fly over the south and

1247
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,490
they'll tell you something about the

1248
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:04,960
weather which makes no sense because

1249
00:45:08,970 --> 00:45:07,420
planes are thirty five thousand feet and

1250
00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:08,980
when they're up there they're at

1251
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:10,900
negative you know fifty or seventy

1252
00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:12,249
degrees Fahrenheit anyway

1253
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:14,200
so it's not like the fact that the

1254
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:16,210
southern continent is cold has anything

1255
00:45:20,999 --> 00:45:18,430
to do with with air flight so it just

1256
00:45:23,279 --> 00:45:21,009
really comes down to I want people to

1257
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,289
just explore and open their minds to the

1258
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:26,079
idea that it's possible that we're being

1259
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,670
deceived and that's when you'll get

1260
00:45:31,769 --> 00:45:29,920
people going out and doing their own

1261
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:31,779
research and we're going to find out one

1262
00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:33,849
way or the other whether what we've been

1263
00:45:41,069 --> 00:45:37,960
taught is true or whether as it and it

1264
00:45:42,539 --> 00:45:41,079
is a lot harder to wrap your head around

1265
00:45:45,029 --> 00:45:42,549
than people think it is if you look at

1266
00:45:47,819 --> 00:45:45,039
the Flat Earth map next to the globe

1267
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:47,829
paradigm it's not you know the ice ring

1268
00:45:51,539 --> 00:45:49,150
it sounds like something that would be

1269
00:45:53,609 --> 00:45:51,549
really easy to disprove but it's really

1270
00:45:55,859 --> 00:45:53,619
not because from any continent if you go

1271
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:55,869
quote-unquote south you would hit that

1272
00:45:59,700 --> 00:45:58,450
ice wall and in reality you would just

1273
00:46:02,009 --> 00:45:59,710
think you were on the continent of

1274
00:46:05,279 --> 00:46:02,019
Antarctica it's actually quite difficult

1275
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:05,289
and one thing I hear both sides using

1276
00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:07,690
for evidence is flight paths and I know

1277
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:10,119
you've done videos where you have looked

1278
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:12,279
at very specific flights and their

1279
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:15,150
distances and the times of arrival and

1280
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:17,890
so you know obviously you've done the

1281
00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:20,170
research but when I look at the Flat

1282
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,980
Earth map and say maybe Australia to

1283
00:46:28,170 --> 00:46:25,839
South America would be the flight that

1284
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:28,180
might give it away I know you've been

1285
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:29,710
through these arguments before but what

1286
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:31,930
would you say about flight paths and

1287
00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:33,970
using that as evidence to try to

1288
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:37,150
determine the real shape yeah and you

1289
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,650
know that would have been something that

1290
00:46:44,099 --> 00:46:41,200
really led me to the idea of it being a

1291
00:46:46,259 --> 00:46:44,109
globe if it wasn't so easily dismissed

1292
00:46:47,819 --> 00:46:46,269
and I'll explain why but you know we've

1293
00:46:52,529 --> 00:46:47,829
seen somebody take the flight from

1294
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:52,539
Sydney to South America and that flight

1295
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:54,430
I believe it's 6,000 miles that it's

1296
00:46:58,979 --> 00:46:56,529
listed as and the flight takes about

1297
00:47:01,380 --> 00:46:58,989
eleven and a half hours going the

1298
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:01,390
direction of East going west it takes

1299
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:02,730
like thirteen or fourteen hours

1300
00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:04,740
which that alone you know should call

1301
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,150
into question the globe because that's

1302
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:07,920
the way the globe spins it should be the

1303
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:10,650
opposite but isn't because of trade

1304
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:12,839
winds and jet streams but just going

1305
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:15,540
back to Sydney to South America what

1306
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,310
we're basically saying when you look at

1307
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:19,619
the idea of a globe versus the platter

1308
00:47:25,579 --> 00:47:23,220
that the flat earth would have more area

1309
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:25,589
than a globe and people should know that

1310
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:26,970
right if you took a flat piece of paper

1311
00:47:32,839 --> 00:47:30,510
and tried to wrap it around a ball that

1312
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,849
you're going to have extra paper right

1313
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:34,920
the globe is actually less surface area

1314
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:38,339
so in doing that idea you can see that

1315
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:40,050
if you're going to make a flat plane

1316
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:42,839
where we live fit to a globe you would

1317
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:45,210
have to eliminate certain areas of that

1318
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,710
flat piece of paper well you're not

1319
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:48,300
going to eliminate land because people

1320
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:50,579
would catch on to that but you could

1321
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,940
eliminate big sections of ocean and by

1322
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:55,859
doing that and then setting up a GPS

1323
00:48:00,560 --> 00:47:57,780
system what I was trying to point out is

1324
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:00,570
if you have planes flying from Sydney to

1325
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:03,000
South America that as they're flying the

1326
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,310
only way that the plane knows how fast

1327
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:07,020
it's going and the only way that the

1328
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:09,450
pilots know how fast it's going is by

1329
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:12,720
ground-based GPS the plane does know how

1330
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:14,609
fast it's moving through the air but

1331
00:48:19,339 --> 00:48:16,230
we've also seen that there's jet streams

1332
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:19,349
down there that move 200 or you know 250

1333
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:21,300
miles per hour so once you realize that

1334
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:23,310
and there's no way the plane would be

1335
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,500
able to know that meaning the jet stream

1336
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,079
is moving all the air in that direction

1337
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:30,960
the plane is flying through the air at a

1338
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:32,790
certain miles per hour and it can't go

1339
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:35,310
over the you know the speed of sound or

1340
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:37,800
create a sonic boom but you can set a

1341
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,710
plane to say 0.95 Mach and the plane

1342
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:42,780
will maintain that speed but it doesn't

1343
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:44,430
always mean that's the speed the planes

1344
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:46,710
going because if it's in a jet stream

1345
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:49,050
say it's a 200 mile per hour jet stream

1346
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:51,540
well the planes going 650 miles per hour

1347
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:54,569
it's at 0.95 Mach well whatever the jet

1348
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,250
stream is is moving that whole mass

1349
00:49:00,620 --> 00:48:58,619
together meaning it doesn't change the

1350
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,630
speed that the plane is going through

1351
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:02,640
the air so once you realize that then

1352
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,530
you realize if somebody did eliminate

1353
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,140
ocean by just cutting it out of kind of

1354
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:08,940
our map that there would be no way for

1355
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:11,609
anyone to know except for the person who

1356
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:13,859
did that and if you start to think about

1357
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:15,210
that way I started thinking well

1358
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:16,500
wouldn't GPS know

1359
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,500
they're in a place it's weird that for

1360
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,119
instance GPS okay this plane isn't

1361
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,640
registering on any area that we know

1362
00:49:27,830 --> 00:49:25,680
exists well what's certainly interesting

1363
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:27,840
is in the south all the planes that go

1364
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:29,910
across the southern ocean disappear from

1365
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:33,300
GPS for a huge amount of time like the

1366
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:35,010
planes that goes Sydney to South America

1367
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:38,220
they're missing from GPS tracking for

1368
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:41,640
good 80% of the flight really yeah so

1369
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:43,650
the question becomes why are these

1370
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,420
planes disappearing and they'll describe

1371
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:47,940
it as oh they're too far out of radar

1372
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:48,450
range

1373
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:50,040
which again brings into question the

1374
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,810
idea of satellites I thought we had

1375
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:53,940
satellites tracking planes then you look

1376
00:49:58,099 --> 00:49:55,619
at something like I don't know your

1377
00:50:00,320 --> 00:49:58,109
opinion of mh370 some people think it

1378
00:50:01,730 --> 00:50:00,330
was complete and total hoax I for one

1379
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:01,740
thinks it makes more sense that the

1380
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,170
plane went out and basically crashed

1381
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:05,940
into the ocean but into one of those

1382
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:07,470
areas that I'm talking about that has

1383
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:11,790
been removed from existence by now you

1384
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:13,020
know obviously they didn't remove it

1385
00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:14,670
physically but I mean if you cut it out

1386
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:16,470
of the idea of GPS but when you have

1387
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:19,619
boats down there searching for this lost

1388
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,960
plane well they would never go to the

1389
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:23,760
area that technically doesn't exist and

1390
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:25,140
it might be hard for people to

1391
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:27,150
understand that but I think once I

1392
00:50:31,339 --> 00:50:29,339
learned kind of the vastness of these

1393
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:31,349
oceans you know we kind of picture

1394
00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:32,760
everything on such a small scale it's

1395
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:34,830
hard for us to imagine think how big

1396
00:50:38,750 --> 00:50:36,270
your city is and then from there your

1397
00:50:40,339 --> 00:50:38,760
state these are huge areas so when

1398
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:40,349
you're talking about the Southern Ocean

1399
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:42,930
or the Pacific Ocean it's such a vast

1400
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,410
amount of just water that it's it's kind

1401
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,480
of easy to understand that they would be

1402
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,400
able to remove it oh by the way the

1403
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:51,599
other thing that caught me as I said oh

1404
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:53,010
shoot you know I'm going to go look into

1405
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:55,260
cruises because I said cruises would

1406
00:51:00,800 --> 00:50:58,619
ultimately prove the globe meaning since

1407
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,810
I've now described it a plane can be

1408
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:03,119
traveling that distance of six thousand

1409
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:04,859
miles and really come to find out it

1410
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:07,170
could be 9,000 miles and nobody would

1411
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,940
know the difference because that 3,000

1412
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:10,680
has been cut out I said that couldn't

1413
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:12,540
happen with cruises you'll be impossible

1414
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,540
the cruise can go 20 miles per hour you

1415
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:17,280
know if they're flooring it you know 23

1416
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:19,800
miles per hour you know it can't go fast

1417
00:51:22,820 --> 00:51:21,180
enough to make up that kind of distance

1418
00:51:25,579 --> 00:51:22,830
why I went looking and there is no

1419
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:25,589
cruise that travels from Australia to

1420
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:28,140
South America if they do they go up the

1421
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:30,030
coast of Japan go

1422
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:31,980
and Alaska come down the west coast of

1423
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,450
the United States and then go down to

1424
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:36,180
South America but no cruise crosses that

1425
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:38,220
water of course I get people tell me

1426
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:39,930
well why would they do that you know

1427
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:41,970
there's no land if something happened to

1428
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:44,310
them they'd be stuck out there well that

1429
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:46,050
may be the case but also there is Easter

1430
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Island down there you think there'd be a

1431
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:49,410
cruise that would stop at Easter Island

1432
00:51:53,780 --> 00:51:51,720
a lot of people on cruises actually

1433
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,790
enjoy the cruise atmosphere and not even

1434
00:51:57,260 --> 00:51:55,980
so much the places that you go so you

1435
00:52:00,020 --> 00:51:57,270
think that there would be people who

1436
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:00,030
would like to take a cruise from say New

1437
00:52:03,740 --> 00:52:02,130
Zealand go across to Easter Island and

1438
00:52:05,570 --> 00:52:03,750
then from Easter Island to South America

1439
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:05,580
and they don't exist and those are the

1440
00:52:09,350 --> 00:52:07,890
things that make me question why when I

1441
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:09,360
do this kind of research do I keep

1442
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:12,180
turning up things that makes sense on a

1443
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:13,530
flat earth but don't make sense on a

1444
00:52:18,350 --> 00:52:16,530
globe well yeah the GPS thing is

1445
00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:18,360
interesting but if you were to consider

1446
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:22,080
that GPS is done through towers that are

1447
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:24,510
on land it would make sense that there

1448
00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:26,670
would be a large chunk of ocean outside

1449
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,500
of the range and that you could kind of

1450
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:30,960
bookend it on each end and then that

1451
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,120
middle spot would be missing at a high

1452
00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:35,280
enough level in regards to the Malaysian

1453
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:37,590
flight if someone wanted to disappear a

1454
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:40,170
plane and they were high enough to know

1455
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:41,940
about that that would be the place to

1456
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:44,310
take a plane down for whatever reason

1457
00:52:48,980 --> 00:52:46,590
but right it is really interesting then

1458
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:48,990
and just for a minute to get back to

1459
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:51,240
mysterious lands like the Iron Republic

1460
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:52,740
saga that you mentioned I've also heard

1461
00:52:58,900 --> 00:52:55,170
you talking about Tibetan and Hindu

1462
00:53:02,090 --> 00:52:58,910
legends like Shambhala and Meru mountain

1463
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:02,100
stories of an imperishable sacred land

1464
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:04,410
at the North Pole apparently multiple

1465
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,650
cultures talk about this quote mountain

1466
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,480
at the navel of the world and again I

1467
00:53:14,570 --> 00:53:11,880
find these polar regions mysterious and

1468
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:14,580
fascinating in either model but I guess

1469
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,050
the suggestion that I've heard from

1470
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,760
people like Eric today is that there is

1471
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:20,640
some type of magnetic mountain in the

1472
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:22,470
middle and that that is kind of why

1473
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:24,810
compasses Point North but what are your

1474
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:27,000
thoughts on some of these legends like

1475
00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:28,680
Tibetan and Hindu legends and how they

1476
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:31,460
might actually reflect something real

1477
00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:34,200
yeah I think it's just to what level are

1478
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:36,420
they referring to reality you know there

1479
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:39,540
is myths in every culture and we know

1480
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,610
that and once you read into them though

1481
00:53:45,289 --> 00:53:43,440
you should understand it

1482
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:45,299
the myths usually have a reason for

1483
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:47,730
being told right mm-hmm rarely is there

1484
00:53:52,220 --> 00:53:49,410
just some myth that somebody tells it's

1485
00:53:53,539 --> 00:53:52,230
got no real underlying story that

1486
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:53,549
they're trying to get across so when you

1487
00:53:58,789 --> 00:53:55,140
look at the idea of Shambala and the

1488
00:54:01,789 --> 00:53:58,799
idea of the Inner Earth or the naval or

1489
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:01,799
the cosmic tree or the idea of the Tree

1490
00:54:07,099 --> 00:54:03,990
of Life you know they all seem to point

1491
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:07,109
to the idea of Mount Meru or the center

1492
00:54:11,509 --> 00:54:09,450
location and even Mercator who was

1493
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:11,519
considered one of the best cartographers

1494
00:54:16,279 --> 00:54:13,710
of the time he drew the map that's got

1495
00:54:18,019 --> 00:54:16,289
those four continents that seemed to be

1496
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:18,029
right at the center which now are

1497
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:21,420
completely erased from any maps and so

1498
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:23,130
you know calls into question that's what

1499
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:24,690
I would go back to is that I'm just a

1500
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:27,180
big supporter of anybody who's willing

1501
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,609
to go and do this kind of research

1502
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:31,500
because I think it's been shut off for

1503
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:32,910
months and I think the more people who

1504
00:54:36,799 --> 00:54:34,950
say oh no you just go up there you just

1505
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:36,809
go up there then they can look into it

1506
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:39,420
and see how there's a lot that blocks

1507
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,609
you from doing what you think is just so

1508
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,400
easy and you know the biggest thing for

1509
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:46,200
me is going back to even when you said

1510
00:54:51,319 --> 00:54:48,569
what is one of the biggest things well

1511
00:54:54,140 --> 00:54:51,329
east west circumnavigation of the earth

1512
00:54:57,289 --> 00:54:54,150
has been done by billions of people

1513
00:54:59,539 --> 00:54:57,299
I myself have flown from San Francisco

1514
00:55:02,029 --> 00:54:59,549
to the Philippines and my wife has flown

1515
00:55:03,799 --> 00:55:02,039
from San Francisco to Germany so I mean

1516
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:03,809
based on all that I can say yeah people

1517
00:55:07,339 --> 00:55:05,369
can circumnavigate the earth quite

1518
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:07,349
easily east-west but when you look at

1519
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:09,569
the idea of north-south circumnavigation

1520
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:12,210
there's literally two or three people

1521
00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:14,190
that claim to have done it and the one

1522
00:55:18,380 --> 00:55:15,750
who claims to have done it first it took

1523
00:55:21,769 --> 00:55:18,390
like four or five years he's a freemason

1524
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:21,779
he's a cousin of the Queen he's the one

1525
00:55:25,339 --> 00:55:23,460
that's in the Guinness Book for it and

1526
00:55:27,259 --> 00:55:25,349
really it just doesn't make sense

1527
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:27,269
when you look at it and say billions

1528
00:55:32,779 --> 00:55:29,910
have gone east-west and one or two or

1529
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:32,789
three have gone north-south and I talk

1530
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:34,140
about in 2015

1531
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:36,210
towards the end of that year I was

1532
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:38,700
watching this guy who was going to break

1533
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:41,460
the record for single plane flight

1534
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:43,529
basically being by himself a solo plane

1535
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:46,230
flight north/south circumnavigation and

1536
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:47,849
they had this thing called spider tracks

1537
00:55:51,769 --> 00:55:49,230
where they were going to be tracking

1538
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:51,779
this plane so I was really interested in

1539
00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:53,880
it said okay I'll watch this guy he flew

1540
00:55:59,960 --> 00:55:56,790
from like North Carolina down to south

1541
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,970
America then down to Brazil and then he

1542
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,440
was supposed to be on the leg that would

1543
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:04,020
go from Brazil across the South Pole and

1544
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:05,910
he was supposed to come out over by New

1545
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:07,890
Zealand and so when you're watching him

1546
00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:10,020
he goes from Brazil and hits the South

1547
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:12,150
Pole and turns around and goes right

1548
00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:13,890
back to Brazil and everyone's like

1549
00:56:18,110 --> 00:56:15,300
what's going on why didn't you go by the

1550
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:18,120
flight path then he flew from Brazil to

1551
00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:19,800
New Zealand across the southern ocean

1552
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:23,430
then from New Zealand up to Alaska and

1553
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:26,220
then Alaska back down to earth to the

1554
00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:27,450
North Pole and then back down to his

1555
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,100
home in North Carolina and then they

1556
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:31,140
gave him the record and that to me was

1557
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:33,330
like all the evidence I needed and said

1558
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:34,980
this is ridiculous that there's no way

1559
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:38,070
if we lived on a globe that somebody

1560
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:39,930
would consider what he did to be

1561
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,300
circumnavigating the earth that he even

1562
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:43,920
had a flight plan that called for him to

1563
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:46,710
go across the South Pole he didn't do it

1564
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:49,290
he blamed it on weather said that he got

1565
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:50,310
there and there was such a strong

1566
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:52,950
headwind that he wouldn't have the fuel

1567
00:56:57,140 --> 00:56:55,020
to get all the way across well that kind

1568
00:56:59,900 --> 00:56:57,150
of leads to the whole idea of the Flat

1569
00:57:01,160 --> 00:56:59,910
Earth model which would be at least in

1570
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:01,170
my opinion the further you get away from

1571
00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:03,330
the Sun the more treacherous the weather

1572
00:57:06,830 --> 00:57:05,190
would get and so I would think you would

1573
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,840
have a pretty big headwind and you would

1574
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:08,640
need to turn around and that's basically

1575
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:11,220
what he did and so when they give him

1576
00:57:15,110 --> 00:57:13,230
the record that makes me say all right

1577
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:15,120
there's something wrong here that would

1578
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:16,230
be something that would be disqualified

1579
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:19,110
you would not win the record for doing

1580
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:20,790
something that you didn't do he didn't

1581
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:22,950
circumnavigate the globe north-south and

1582
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:24,990
I don't think anybody has and the reason

1583
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:26,430
for that would be explained pretty

1584
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:28,920
easily in a flat earth model no that's

1585
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:32,520
interesting and you do find that when

1586
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:34,890
you get to the figureheads of aviation

1587
00:57:39,740 --> 00:57:37,530
and exploration and any relevant

1588
00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:39,750
industry there's so many members of the

1589
00:57:45,590 --> 00:57:42,390
Royal Society so many Freemasons

1590
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:45,600
and then you hear stories like oh when

1591
00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:47,130
they were on the moon they actually did

1592
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:49,380
a Masonic ritual or you hear that when

1593
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,630
they found the poles they did a Masonic

1594
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:53,520
ritual and it's almost like Masonic

1595
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:55,590
ritual is code for we completely made

1596
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,130
this [\h__\h] up okay yeah all the guys that

1597
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:00,960
did the discovering of the southern

1598
00:58:05,660 --> 00:58:03,510
northern poles were all in the same

1599
00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:05,670
organization Freemasons and from a

1600
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:07,740
Munson and Scott and yeah it just

1601
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:09,870
certainly seems like it is code

1602
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,300
and yeah buzz aldrin you know it fully

1603
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:14,880
admits that they did this Masonic ritual

1604
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:17,010
with the flag on the moon and it

1605
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:19,050
certainly seems questionable in every

1606
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,090
way and you look at any of these big

1607
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:24,000
aviation events Lindbergh crossing the

1608
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,490
Atlantic all those are shrouded by so

1609
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:28,980
much nonsense and kind of like folklore

1610
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:30,780
and if you read the story about

1611
00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:32,940
Lindbergh it says that he fell asleep on

1612
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:35,790
that flight and then part of the time he

1613
00:58:39,830 --> 00:58:38,010
was running out of gas and was 10 feet

1614
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,840
above the waves I mean just things like

1615
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:42,240
that that don't seem realistic that I

1616
00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:43,530
don't think somebody was flying across

1617
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:45,830
the Atlantic ten feet above the ocean

1618
00:58:52,580 --> 00:58:49,440
you know and falling asleep in that trip

1619
00:58:54,290 --> 00:58:52,590
it just seems crazy to me but again you

1620
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:54,300
know Who am I to question those things I

1621
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:56,130
just think that when something doesn't

1622
00:59:00,830 --> 00:58:58,370
look right then we have every right to

1623
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:00,840
explore it further and when you find out

1624
00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:03,840
people who are lying to you have done so

1625
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:05,700
then those people shouldn't be trusted

1626
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:07,710
anymore so for me stuff like the moon

1627
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:11,430
landing is so clear and once you've

1628
00:59:15,860 --> 00:59:13,170
looked into it yourself and not just

1629
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,870
simply bowed down to the intellectual

1630
00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:17,280
community and what they tell you you

1631
00:59:19,610 --> 00:59:18,540
have to believe because that's basically

1632
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:19,620
what it comes down to with the moon

1633
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:21,510
landings is you have to believe it if

1634
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:23,730
you're going to be in the field of

1635
00:59:27,290 --> 00:59:25,140
science or if you're going to be

1636
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,300
considered an intellectual and to me

1637
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:29,700
that's dogma that's religion it's not

1638
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:32,310
true science it's not true inquiry you

1639
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:34,080
know an inquiry is when you're actually

1640
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:36,510
looking and you don't care about what

1641
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:38,130
the answer is and that's really where I

1642
00:59:41,660 --> 00:59:40,380
came from I didn't look into the Flat

1643
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:41,670
Earth and say I hope that the earth is

1644
00:59:45,350 --> 00:59:43,110
flat so I'm going to look into this and

1645
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:45,360
find the earth to be flat it was a

1646
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:47,490
period of time in my life where I was so

1647
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:49,530
pissed at everything that I'd been shown

1648
00:59:54,790 --> 00:59:50,910
and everything I'd been told from

1649
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:54,800
religion to science and saw it all as a

1650
00:59:59,420 --> 00:59:56,940
religion you know each in their own way

1651
01:00:01,160 --> 00:59:59,430
but with dogmatic foundations that you

1652
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:01,170
had to believe in and I got frustrated

1653
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,400
and just said well I'm just going to

1654
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:05,040
research things and see and only believe

1655
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:06,900
what I can prove and it just so happened

1656
01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:08,850
that the first thing that I was looking

1657
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:11,460
into was the moon landing and when I

1658
01:00:14,570 --> 01:00:13,140
came to the conclusion that that didn't

1659
01:00:16,220 --> 01:00:14,580
happen well then you have to start

1660
01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:16,230
asking well wait a second so that

1661
01:00:21,110 --> 01:00:19,080
picture of the earth isn't true and from

1662
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:21,120
there then you really start opening up

1663
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:23,790
your eyes - well if they lied about that

1664
01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:26,280
would they be lying to hide and from

1665
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:27,960
there then the sliders kind of unfolds

1666
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:29,610
right in front of you mm-hmm

1667
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:31,740
yeah so many of the researchers that

1668
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:33,570
have gone flatter that I've talked to

1669
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,970
over the past two years they often say

1670
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:37,500
that they started with trying to

1671
01:00:41,060 --> 01:00:39,450
disprove it and then they realize they

1672
01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:41,070
couldn't and now they're just still

1673
01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:43,020
sitting in that space or they're like no

1674
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:45,390
I'd love it to be disproven please and

1675
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:48,690
they just nothing seems to work and it's

1676
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:50,940
interesting because I look at those you

1677
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:52,740
know top ten reasons why the earth is

1678
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:55,170
round lists all the time to try to get

1679
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:56,250
something out of them and they always

1680
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,050
mention a few things that I just think

1681
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:01,200
are [\h__\h] arguments in particular the

1682
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:03,480
idea of flights when people say well why

1683
01:01:06,830 --> 01:01:04,740
don't these people just take a flight

1684
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,840
once in a while I have been on four

1685
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:08,700
international flights in the past two

1686
01:01:13,790 --> 01:01:10,920
years since doing that show there today

1687
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:13,800
and every time I try to pay great

1688
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:16,290
attention to where I think I am and it's

1689
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:18,630
just too freaking hard honestly like I

1690
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:20,850
can't get any real conclusive evidence

1691
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:23,790
from those trips except that you don't

1692
01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:25,530
see curvature I can say that that

1693
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:27,060
doesn't mean the earth is round or flat

1694
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:29,550
but to say that you see curvature from

1695
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:32,130
an airplane I think is disingenuous and

1696
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:34,110
people also always try to tell me about

1697
01:01:37,550 --> 01:01:35,640
these images that we have of the Earth

1698
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:37,560
from space like you mentioned yeah and

1699
01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:39,510
they're just not true and one of your

1700
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:40,950
videos you do a side-by-side comparison

1701
01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:43,260
of NASA images and there are huge

1702
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:46,080
discrepancies for example South America

1703
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:48,090
is to the right of Florida and some

1704
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:50,730
images and to the left and others Spain

1705
01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:52,710
and the water channels around it often

1706
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:55,020
look quite different the Baja California

1707
01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,210
area of Mexico looks different on these

1708
01:02:01,970 --> 01:01:59,640
different maps you know these different

1709
01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:01,980
quote-unquote images that in fact and

1710
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:03,900
when I talk to air today I thought some

1711
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:05,940
of the line-of-sight examples with

1712
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:07,890
lighthouses that you can see when they

1713
01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:09,480
should actually be below the curve of

1714
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:11,070
the earth I thought those were pretty

1715
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:12,450
convincing and Neil deGrasse Tyson

1716
01:02:17,090 --> 01:02:15,210
responded to that by saying the earth is

1717
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:17,100
not a perfect circle it's no blade

1718
01:02:21,350 --> 01:02:19,140
spheroid that's shaped more like a pear

1719
01:02:22,790 --> 01:02:21,360
and so then I think okay well where's

1720
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:22,800
that picture of the earth because you

1721
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:24,900
only show the blue marble and you're now

1722
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:26,550
telling me that it's a pear shape so

1723
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:28,770
either the top astrophysicist doesn't

1724
01:02:33,070 --> 01:02:29,970
know what the hell he's talking about

1725
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:33,080
or these images are not accurate at all

1726
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:35,310
well and the reason I know a lot of

1727
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:37,410
people have a different opinion of

1728
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:39,390
grass or these guys than I do because I

1729
01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:42,210
do think that they are more beneficial

1730
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:44,790
to let's say the elite or whoever is

1731
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:46,770
telling this lie they're more beneficial

1732
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:49,050
to them if they truly believe it I think

1733
01:02:53,330 --> 01:02:51,540
that if you are lying then you know

1734
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:53,340
you've seen all these false flags that

1735
01:02:56,570 --> 01:02:55,110
have taken place that the reason we

1736
01:02:59,060 --> 01:02:56,580
usually can easily tell when it's a

1737
01:03:00,590 --> 01:02:59,070
false flag is due to the acting of the

1738
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:00,600
people who are lying through because

1739
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:02,370
they have such a hard time crying they

1740
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:03,720
have such a hard time showing true

1741
01:03:08,180 --> 01:03:05,850
emotion where we all know what it would

1742
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:08,190
be like to lose a family member or to be

1743
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:09,510
crying because your son is missing or

1744
01:03:15,140 --> 01:03:12,810
whatever so I think that they they love

1745
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:15,150
the people like Bill Nye and neil

1746
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,740
degrasse that are just such firm

1747
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:19,200
believers in what they are preaching

1748
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:20,910
that I think they're more beneficial

1749
01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:23,100
that way like when Joe Rogan asked Neil

1750
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:25,590
deGrasse what the curvature formula was

1751
01:03:30,110 --> 01:03:27,930
and Neil deGrasse said oh you mean the

1752
01:03:33,590 --> 01:03:30,120
gravity drop like he doesn't even

1753
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:33,600
understand the idea of the calculation

1754
01:03:38,330 --> 01:03:36,480
for the curvature formula because once

1755
01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:38,340
you're in that business those things are

1756
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:40,020
already assumed there is no need to

1757
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,510
question the curvature formula of the

1758
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:44,160
ball earth if you've gone into

1759
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:46,770
astrophysics because you know that the

1760
01:03:51,050 --> 01:03:48,780
earth of all so he comes across to me as

1761
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:51,060
somebody who has never even considered

1762
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:53,310
the idea of the earth not being a ball

1763
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:55,050
and he answers all his questions like

1764
01:03:59,210 --> 01:03:57,570
that he seems to be somebody who simply

1765
01:04:01,130 --> 01:03:59,220
believes in whatever he's read in the

1766
01:04:02,660 --> 01:04:01,140
book and people all say all the time

1767
01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:02,670
where are your credentials Sharon where

1768
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:04,500
are your college credentials and I say

1769
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:05,910
well that's a good thing that I don't

1770
01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:07,410
have those because what we're trying to

1771
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,390
say is that these people have been

1772
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:11,520
taught or had been schooled or educated

1773
01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:14,640
or indoctrinated in the lie and so of

1774
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:16,470
course you know Neil deGrasse in terms

1775
01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:18,660
of astrophysics is much smarter than I

1776
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,840
am

1777
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:21,180
because he's read the book which I think

1778
01:04:25,220 --> 01:04:23,370
is a lie and he can repeat it verbatim

1779
01:04:27,590 --> 01:04:25,230
and he understands everything that's in

1780
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:27,600
the book it doesn't mean it's reality

1781
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:29,130
I think people fail to realize we've

1782
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:31,530
given a PhD to somebody who has never

1783
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:33,890
been to space never touch space never

1784
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:36,960
tested things in space but yet we've

1785
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:39,540
given them the permission to lord over

1786
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,150
us that they know about these places

1787
01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:44,640
like Saturn and Jupiter and things that

1788
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:46,710
are simply lights in the sky to all of

1789
01:04:50,780 --> 01:04:48,930
us yet somebody is going to tell us that

1790
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:50,790
there are actual planets that are you

1791
01:04:52,310 --> 01:04:51,000
know

1792
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:52,320
say to Pater's a hundred times the size

1793
01:04:56,270 --> 01:04:54,180
of the earth and Saturn's ten times as

1794
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:56,280
big but we don't know those things to be

1795
01:05:00,500 --> 01:04:58,290
reality and that's what I really think

1796
01:05:02,420 --> 01:05:00,510
is missing from people is we've allowed

1797
01:05:05,060 --> 01:05:02,430
people to construct our reality with

1798
01:05:06,350 --> 01:05:05,070
words and stories and I understand why

1799
01:05:08,030 --> 01:05:06,360
you have to add things to your reality

1800
01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:08,040
that you've never experienced for

1801
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:10,230
instance I do think Australia exists and

1802
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:11,160
I've never been there

1803
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:13,650
but I've got enough information from

1804
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,050
pictures my mom's been there I've got

1805
01:05:19,610 --> 01:05:17,760
friends who've been there I can find

1806
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:19,620
people who don't even know each other

1807
01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:21,840
that all agree that these places exist

1808
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:24,420
well when it comes to planets and things

1809
01:05:27,620 --> 01:05:26,310
like that well then you have to look at

1810
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:27,630
it and say well who is telling us that

1811
01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:30,180
these planets exist and that they are as

1812
01:05:33,650 --> 01:05:31,500
big as they say they are will really

1813
01:05:36,050 --> 01:05:33,660
comes down to just NASA yeah you might

1814
01:05:37,850 --> 01:05:36,060
have Ross cosmos or you might have ESA

1815
01:05:41,030 --> 01:05:37,860
but these are all government-run

1816
01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:41,040
agencies that have learned that by

1817
01:05:45,110 --> 01:05:42,660
telling you things and showing you

1818
01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:45,120
pictures that certainly look like they

1819
01:05:49,970 --> 01:05:47,550
are CGI that people have adopted these

1820
01:05:51,980 --> 01:05:49,980
things into their reality and that's

1821
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:51,990
where I think the problem lies I'm okay

1822
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:54,780
with adopting Australia as reality in my

1823
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:56,940
world but I'm not okay with adopting

1824
01:06:03,050 --> 01:06:00,000
Mars as a terraform planet or Saturn as

1825
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,060
a gas giant with rings yeah I can see

1826
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,520
Saturn in the sky I can have a camera

1827
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:06,960
and I can zoom in and actually see what

1828
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:09,330
looks like the Rings I can see that but

1829
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,490
it doesn't tell me in any way how big

1830
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:12,720
that is compared to the earth

1831
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:14,280
or that it's I don't even know what a

1832
01:06:19,340 --> 01:06:17,160
gas planet is anyway but the idea of

1833
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:19,350
these planets you know I just I struggle

1834
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:20,760
with people adopting them into their

1835
01:06:24,380 --> 01:06:22,920
reality and people love them and yet

1836
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:24,390
they'll never go there you'll never go

1837
01:06:29,450 --> 01:06:26,910
to space and yet they love it they love

1838
01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:29,460
the idea of us colonizing Mars right you

1839
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:31,950
la musk is going to colonize Mars why

1840
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,240
would you want to go somewhere where you

1841
01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:35,520
can't live why would we want to go

1842
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:36,780
somewhere where we can't breathe there's

1843
01:06:40,070 --> 01:06:38,370
nothing to eat there's nothing to drink

1844
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:40,080
why wouldn't we take care of the earth

1845
01:06:43,790 --> 01:06:42,180
first that we live on and when

1846
01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:43,800
everything is perfect here but no

1847
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:45,630
children are dying from starvation when

1848
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:47,370
there's no homelessness then if they

1849
01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:49,380
want to go out and explore the Stars by

1850
01:06:53,420 --> 01:06:51,390
all means have fun but until then I

1851
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:53,430
think that's money that is absolutely

1852
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:55,890
being stolen from people for basically

1853
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:00,000
to construct a lie man I mean you make

1854
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:01,890
interesting point and I know you've also

1855
01:07:06,740 --> 01:07:04,770
looked into Anatoly Fomenko and then

1856
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:06,750
new chronology material this idea that

1857
01:07:11,570 --> 01:07:08,910
much of history was fabricated and much

1858
01:07:13,460 --> 01:07:11,580
of the timeline was built around records

1859
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:13,470
and documents that nobody has the

1860
01:07:18,350 --> 01:07:16,200
originals for cooked up by the quote

1861
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:18,360
unquote official Vatican chronologiste

1862
01:07:22,790 --> 01:07:20,730
and the Reformation period and the

1863
01:07:24,770 --> 01:07:22,800
Inquisition's could have largely been

1864
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:24,780
about destroying contradictory records

1865
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:26,940
in opinion I find that to be a really

1866
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:30,450
interesting perspective and maybe it's

1867
01:07:35,030 --> 01:07:32,730
related to the heliocentric model that

1868
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:35,040
emerged in largely the same timeframe

1869
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:38,130
couldn't you say yeah I think again just

1870
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:39,810
goes back to the whole idea of people

1871
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:43,290
were illiterate and so the idea of our

1872
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:45,690
time scale Fomenko does a great job of

1873
01:07:50,090 --> 01:07:48,510
using evidence to prove what he's saying

1874
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:50,100
which is something I didn't get when I

1875
01:07:55,070 --> 01:07:52,200
was taught history we were just taught

1876
01:07:58,010 --> 01:07:55,080
it as it was fact and none of the heirs

1877
01:08:00,080 --> 01:07:58,020
or the miscalculations were ever even

1878
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:00,090
mentioned or the ideas that you know a

1879
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:01,410
lot of this doesn't really make sense

1880
01:08:05,630 --> 01:08:03,900
when you lay it out it certainly seems

1881
01:08:07,940 --> 01:08:05,640
like they taught us a history that was

1882
01:08:10,610 --> 01:08:07,950
like the Greeks existed and nobody else

1883
01:08:12,530 --> 01:08:10,620
existed and then came the Romans and the

1884
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:12,540
Romans existed and nobody else existed

1885
01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:14,610
and before that was the Egyptians and

1886
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:16,830
nobody else existed whereas what Fomenko

1887
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,290
saying is that all these people existed

1888
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:21,960
at the same time and he starts to lay it

1889
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:23,850
out in a way it certainly seems to make

1890
01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:25,980
more sense he talks about one of the

1891
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:27,630
things that I found to be the biggest

1892
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:29,880
problem with our history is I went back

1893
01:08:34,670 --> 01:08:31,410
because I sell books I own a bookstore

1894
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,680
and just an online through my house not

1895
01:08:40,460 --> 01:08:36,960
an actual brick-and-mortar but in

1896
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:40,470
looking for these writings like say you

1897
01:08:43,730 --> 01:08:42,270
know Ptolemy or anybody like that when I

1898
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:43,740
went back and tried to look at their

1899
01:08:47,539 --> 01:08:45,690
original writings no matter what I would

1900
01:08:49,519 --> 01:08:47,549
always find a date that they wrote it to

1901
01:08:51,620 --> 01:08:49,529
be the date that we've applied to it and

1902
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:51,630
I kept saying well when did he say he

1903
01:08:55,460 --> 01:08:53,850
wrote it when did Josephus or these

1904
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:55,470
people when did they say they wrote

1905
01:09:00,410 --> 01:08:58,500
these books because it'll just say 70 AD

1906
01:09:03,260 --> 01:09:00,420
but it's like well we applied that date

1907
01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:03,270
to that time way after the fact so what

1908
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:05,220
did they say and you can't find that

1909
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:06,600
information because it's all been

1910
01:09:11,690 --> 01:09:09,810
rewritten as of 1600 some anko claims

1911
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:11,700
that the oldest book that we can

1912
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,660
reliably count on is 1100 and when

1913
01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:17,040
people hear that they lose their mind

1914
01:09:20,750 --> 01:09:18,660
because they say there's books it away

1915
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,760
but there really isn't you just have to

1916
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:22,500
look into it and see that what you're

1917
01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:24,330
talking about is if something is copied

1918
01:09:28,820 --> 01:09:26,670
of a copy of a copy that says that it

1919
01:09:31,820 --> 01:09:28,830
was originally written in you know 250

1920
01:09:33,710 --> 01:09:31,830
BC it doesn't mean that that was written

1921
01:09:36,140 --> 01:09:33,720
in 250 BC and then people need to

1922
01:09:38,270 --> 01:09:36,150
question how we date books because books

1923
01:09:41,420 --> 01:09:38,280
are not dateable by say conventional

1924
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,430
carbon dating basically we date books by

1925
01:09:45,770 --> 01:09:43,920
writing style and writing utensil so you

1926
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,780
could take a piece of papyrus and you

1927
01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:48,000
know grind it up in the dirt and if you

1928
01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:49,680
knew the writing utensil that they used

1929
01:09:54,230 --> 01:09:52,230
in 250 BC and you knew the writing style

1930
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:54,240
that you could write something stuck it

1931
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:56,850
in a jar bury it and if it was found 50

1932
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,530
years from now they would date that to

1933
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:01,440
250 BC and that's basically the best

1934
01:10:06,220 --> 01:10:03,930
that we can get as far as dating books

1935
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:06,230
and things like that so once I saw that

1936
01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:08,550
then you just look at our history and

1937
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:10,830
then it makes sense with the printing

1938
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:13,260
press coming out in 1600s and like I was

1939
01:10:16,820 --> 01:10:15,210
talking about earlier they must have

1940
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:16,830
known at that time that whatever people

1941
01:10:19,730 --> 01:10:18,570
first read these people are now going to

1942
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:19,740
learn how to read they're going to learn

1943
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:21,870
how to write whatever we tell them is

1944
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:23,970
the truth they're going to just accept

1945
01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:26,850
and when you look at the date of 0 I

1946
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:28,350
mean that's one of the biggest things to

1947
01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:29,520
me and I always had a question about

1948
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:31,320
that growing up but just kind of let it

1949
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,300
go but really when you think about it

1950
01:10:37,460 --> 01:10:35,520
picture a period of time where you just

1951
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:37,470
went back in the past and said we're

1952
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:39,330
going to call this date zero yeah and

1953
01:10:43,730 --> 01:10:42,360
anything before that will be ABC and

1954
01:10:46,220 --> 01:10:43,740
anything it just would never happen

1955
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:46,230
there's just no way nothing could happen

1956
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:47,850
on earth it would make us at this point

1957
01:10:52,970 --> 01:10:49,770
say we're going to go back to this day

1958
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:52,980
call it zero and just readjust all the

1959
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:54,780
dates of everything that happened after

1960
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:55,170
that

1961
01:11:01,820 --> 01:10:59,370
unless you were constructing a fake

1962
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:01,830
history in which case that would be the

1963
01:11:05,210 --> 01:11:03,330
best thing to do because now you've got

1964
01:11:07,460 --> 01:11:05,220
your starting point and you write every

1965
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:07,470
book based on that new date and that's

1966
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:08,730
certainly what it seems like happened

1967
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:11,910
yeah man it is so provocative and in

1968
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:14,040
regards to the timeline and the model

1969
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,380
for the earth I also sometimes consider

1970
01:11:20,780 --> 01:11:18,480
how ancient megalithic sites and their

1971
01:11:23,660 --> 01:11:20,790
astrological alignments fit into this

1972
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:23,670
puzzle but I've heard you say that you

1973
01:11:28,190 --> 01:11:26,040
think a lot of these sites are more

1974
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:28,200
recent inventions that Stonehenge and

1975
01:11:33,250 --> 01:11:30,030
perhaps the great pyramids are only a

1976
01:11:35,780 --> 01:11:33,260
hundred or so years old and then

1977
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:35,790
yeah as far as the pyramids I wouldn't

1978
01:11:39,710 --> 01:11:37,170
say so much a hundred years but I would

1979
01:11:41,690 --> 01:11:39,720
say that even if they found them they

1980
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:41,700
would have you know dress them up or

1981
01:11:44,930 --> 01:11:42,900
done something to them it's just like

1982
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:44,940
with Stonehenge a lot of people say oh

1983
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:47,190
well this is ancient it's 5,000 years

1984
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:48,840
old but they don't realize we can't date

1985
01:11:52,820 --> 01:11:51,360
rocks you have to date some sort of item

1986
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:52,830
around there so they might have some

1987
01:11:57,980 --> 01:11:55,170
ashes and date that and say okay well

1988
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:57,990
this thing was killed at this date so

1989
01:12:01,610 --> 01:11:59,400
these rocks must have been here at that

1990
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:01,620
time to get is not an accurate dating

1991
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:03,480
method but they also just have so many

1992
01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:04,710
things wrong with their narrative I've

1993
01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:07,020
heard that they say that the continents

1994
01:12:11,780 --> 01:12:09,780
drift a foot per year or something like

1995
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:11,790
that that's the continental drift and

1996
01:12:16,190 --> 01:12:13,500
you know if that were true then

1997
01:12:18,610 --> 01:12:16,200
Stonehenge has moved 5,000 feet which is

1998
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:18,620
a mile so how would it be lined up

1999
01:12:23,420 --> 01:12:20,760
astronomically if it's moved a mile

2000
01:12:25,670 --> 01:12:23,430
right so there's a lot of good

2001
01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:25,680
oh just I agree oh yeah there's just a

2002
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:27,320
lot of things wrong with their idea and

2003
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:29,400
you know I'm somebody who believes that

2004
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:31,140
the North Star has been the North Star

2005
01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:33,900
and yes they're stories of Subban used

2006
01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:36,030
to be our North Star and that it moves

2007
01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:38,940
and they base that on these pyramids and

2008
01:12:42,590 --> 01:12:40,860
they say that the pyramid is pointed in

2009
01:12:44,540 --> 01:12:42,600
a direction that Subban would have been

2010
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:44,550
in you know whatever it is thirty five

2011
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:47,010
hundred years ago but when I went

2012
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:48,300
looking into it I said I wanted to find

2013
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:50,730
the angle that these so-called tunnels

2014
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:52,050
were at and I'm talking about the Great

2015
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:54,540
Pyramid the Cheops and when I looked and

2016
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,370
found the angle of these tunnels or

2017
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:58,320
these shafts as they call them well they

2018
01:13:01,670 --> 01:12:59,520
were at exactly and I don't remember

2019
01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:01,680
exactly number one say thirty one point

2020
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,900
something degrees and so I went and

2021
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:05,520
looked at you know where they're located

2022
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:08,370
and of course they're located exactly 31

2023
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:10,110
degrees which means that these shafts

2024
01:13:15,860 --> 01:13:13,110
are pointed exactly at Polaris today so

2025
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:15,870
again you can either believe that we

2026
01:13:20,300 --> 01:13:17,850
just happen to live in a time where it's

2027
01:13:22,460 --> 01:13:20,310
pointed at our North Star today and that

2028
01:13:24,020 --> 01:13:22,470
they were built at a period of time when

2029
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:24,030
it was pointed at the North star Thuban

2030
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:26,610
and it in between those two times for

2031
01:13:31,730 --> 01:13:29,370
3500 years or 4000 years it was pointed

2032
01:13:33,980 --> 01:13:31,740
at no star as those stars moved into

2033
01:13:36,140 --> 01:13:33,990
place or you can believe that it was

2034
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:36,150
built pointed at the North Star Polaris

2035
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:38,940
and so you know to me it's just I have

2036
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:40,890
to look at things and weigh out what

2037
01:13:45,020 --> 01:13:42,540
makes more sense there's pictures

2038
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:45,030
showing these pyramids and

2039
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:46,530
sphynx and things like that being

2040
01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:48,210
repaired that's what they say they are

2041
01:13:51,710 --> 01:13:50,280
being repaired but I don't have a doubt

2042
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:51,720
that they could have been built

2043
01:13:55,940 --> 01:13:53,910
definitely sooner and when you really go

2044
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:55,950
back and look things like I don't think

2045
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,570
as far as I know does the Bible ever

2046
01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:00,000
mention the pyramids I don't think so

2047
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:01,860
you know I don't think so and that's the

2048
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,570
book and it depends on when you want to

2049
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:05,280
place the date on that you know for me I

2050
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:07,380
don't date it very old but I do think

2051
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:09,630
it's one of the older texts that we do

2052
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,730
have and so you know where are the

2053
01:14:15,710 --> 01:14:13,440
pyramids in that and then when you go

2054
01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:15,720
back people will say well people wrote

2055
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:17,400
books about it or they drew about it but

2056
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:19,260
again follow that line of inquiry and

2057
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:21,510
you'll get to the same thing things that

2058
01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:23,460
were printed after the fact that were

2059
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:26,340
copies of copies of copies and you know

2060
01:14:29,180 --> 01:14:27,690
you've got people who argue with me

2061
01:14:31,460 --> 01:14:29,190
about the North Star and say but there's

2062
01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:31,470
these cave paintings these cave

2063
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:33,720
paintings show that the new ban was the

2064
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:36,330
North Star and again we can't date cave

2065
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:39,510
paintings and it's very easy to Bly

2066
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:40,980
about something like that it's very easy

2067
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:42,690
for somebody to go into a cave paint

2068
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:44,490
through Banias the North Star and then

2069
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,050
find it a few days later and everyone

2070
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:48,000
believe that it's an actual cave

2071
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:50,220
painting so you know again I'm

2072
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:51,780
definitely somebody who believes in the

2073
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:54,050
new chronology not so much exactly as

2074
01:14:58,730 --> 01:14:56,490
Amana Coe has laid it out but I think he

2075
01:15:00,740 --> 01:14:58,740
definitely gives us a better starting

2076
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:00,750
point and I just like to follow people's

2077
01:15:04,580 --> 01:15:02,760
line of thinking and evidence and it

2078
01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:04,590
doesn't seem to me like fomenko's got

2079
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:07,140
this agenda driven narrative that he's

2080
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:08,760
telling it seems like he's trying to

2081
01:15:13,790 --> 01:15:11,460
actually come up with the true history

2082
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:13,800
of the earth and to me that makes more

2083
01:15:18,170 --> 01:15:16,710
sense than when I look at the ideas that

2084
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,180
are passed through school books that

2085
01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:20,640
seem to be agenda driven mm-hmm

2086
01:15:24,650 --> 01:15:22,620
well I'm with you like the way

2087
01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:24,660
everything's supposed to be moving in

2088
01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:27,950
the galaxies and solar system with

2089
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:30,900
tectonic plates with continental drift

2090
01:15:34,970 --> 01:15:32,910
and these alignments at the dates

2091
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:34,980
they're supposed to be built it does not

2092
01:15:39,170 --> 01:15:37,440
match up so one of these components has

2093
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:39,180
to be wrong and I think it's a

2094
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:41,850
provocative idea that of fabricating

2095
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:44,760
megalithic structures but to play

2096
01:15:48,740 --> 01:15:46,530
devil's advocate you know dozens and

2097
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:48,750
dozens of pyramids and similar stone

2098
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:50,250
sites have been found around the world

2099
01:15:54,260 --> 01:15:52,440
and it's usually the authorities

2100
01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:54,270
suppressing these discoveries and

2101
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,760
blocking excavations which to me

2102
01:16:00,859 --> 01:15:58,800
suggests that they want to hide

2103
01:16:02,899 --> 01:16:00,869
how far back humanity really goes and

2104
01:16:05,569 --> 01:16:02,909
how advanced we actually might have been

2105
01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:05,579
in previous ages but noelia is hard to

2106
01:16:08,899 --> 01:16:07,320
say it is hard to say but that's a great

2107
01:16:10,549 --> 01:16:08,909
point and that's actually why I don't

2108
01:16:13,010 --> 01:16:10,559
I've never really done a video and said

2109
01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:13,020
the pyramids are only you know 200 years

2110
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,030
old because I do think like you said

2111
01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:17,760
we're lied to we know that and so

2112
01:16:21,379 --> 01:16:19,860
anybody who is doing the kind of work

2113
01:16:23,569 --> 01:16:21,389
that I'm doing or you're doing or

2114
01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:23,579
conspiracy researchers are doing are

2115
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,380
really fighting an uphill battle

2116
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:28,320
basically you're having to come up with

2117
01:16:33,709 --> 01:16:31,050
ideas and kind of see what fits the

2118
01:16:35,209 --> 01:16:33,719
evidence and so yes the pyramids could

2119
01:16:36,799 --> 01:16:35,219
be something that was recent but also

2120
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:36,809
like you said they could have been

2121
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,210
something that was found that was very

2122
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:41,040
old that you know would make sense to me

2123
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:42,510
that it was pointed at Polaris if I

2124
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:44,550
think that Polaris has always been there

2125
01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:46,440
and so I'm not somebody who can say

2126
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:49,320
whether or not the pyramids are ancient

2127
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:51,719
I do think that there's tons of evidence

2128
01:16:56,689 --> 01:16:54,090
that humanity has been here much longer

2129
01:16:58,939 --> 01:16:56,699
than we think and maybe goes through

2130
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:58,949
cycles and I you know I don't think this

2131
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:01,020
particular cycle if you want to call it

2132
01:17:06,169 --> 01:17:03,480
that is very long in fact I wouldn't be

2133
01:17:08,780 --> 01:17:06,179
surprised if the date of 0 was kind of

2134
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:08,790
the start of this particular epoch if

2135
01:17:14,089 --> 01:17:11,250
you will and that there is evidence of

2136
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:14,099
past civilizations and maybe what

2137
01:17:19,129 --> 01:17:16,650
they're doing is kind of always the same

2138
01:17:21,379 --> 01:17:19,139
thing which is lying to the people that

2139
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:21,389
come about trying to tell them one story

2140
01:17:24,830 --> 01:17:23,730
and that's the one thing that I not fear

2141
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:24,840
but the one thing I figure about what

2142
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,050
I'm doing is am I just giving these guys

2143
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:30,480
the answer to their problem basically by

2144
01:17:34,129 --> 01:17:32,250
pointing out things that don't work in

2145
01:17:36,049 --> 01:17:34,139
their story if they were ever to take

2146
01:17:37,549 --> 01:17:36,059
out humans again for whatever reason

2147
01:17:39,799 --> 01:17:37,559
then they could come back and their

2148
01:17:41,390 --> 01:17:39,809
story be even better that's the one

2149
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,400
thing that you know makes me think about

2150
01:17:45,799 --> 01:17:43,760
what I'm doing because it seems like

2151
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:45,809
sometimes that that's the goal you know

2152
01:17:49,549 --> 01:17:47,340
they're building underground tunnels and

2153
01:17:52,729 --> 01:17:49,559
building underground shelters and seed

2154
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:52,739
vaults as if they're expecting some of

2155
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:56,219
it right yeah I like to just bring in a

2156
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,480
new shipment of cattle to the

2157
01:18:02,600 --> 01:17:59,520
slaughterhouse and they refine their

2158
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,610
manipulation every time I mean it's a

2159
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:05,280
dark idea about complete and total

2160
01:18:10,669 --> 01:18:08,130
control and domination but it's

2161
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:10,679
a possibility you gotta consider you get

2162
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:12,510
a consistent I mean for me I've always

2163
01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:14,340
questioned the Bible not having any

2164
01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:16,110
dates in it because I've always thought

2165
01:18:19,459 --> 01:18:17,940
to myself well it seems crazy because

2166
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:19,469
when you look at the earth and let's say

2167
01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:21,030
that they're right about the population

2168
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:23,460
of you know seven billion or so I can't

2169
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:24,960
picture them being able to kill seven

2170
01:18:29,060 --> 01:18:27,659
billion people but if you looked at it

2171
01:18:30,979 --> 01:18:29,070
and just said let's pretend that they

2172
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:30,989
could wear a vast majority of those and

2173
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:32,690
then you bring out the Bible again and

2174
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,489
there's no dates in it so you could lie

2175
01:18:39,979 --> 01:18:37,920
to those people and there would be some

2176
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:39,989
people that would still for instance

2177
01:18:43,970 --> 01:18:41,610
let's just play in pretend world that

2178
01:18:46,060 --> 01:18:43,980
something happens to everyone on the

2179
01:18:48,740 --> 01:18:46,070
United States or even it's you know it's

2180
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:48,750
widespread destruction over say you know

2181
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,270
half the the so-called globe and so all

2182
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:54,000
these people then remember stories of

2183
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:56,159
people who lived in America and oh what

2184
01:18:59,720 --> 01:18:57,960
a great place it wasn't it kind of

2185
01:19:02,450 --> 01:18:59,730
reminds you of the things about Atlantis

2186
01:19:04,970 --> 01:19:02,460
where there is stories being told about

2187
01:19:06,890 --> 01:19:04,980
this place in the past and where it was

2188
01:19:08,959 --> 01:19:06,900
and what kind of things took place there

2189
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:08,969
but it seems like that memory kind of

2190
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,770
gets lost and I could picture that to

2191
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:13,199
where within a generation or two the

2192
01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:15,810
idea of what America was or who once

2193
01:19:19,970 --> 01:19:17,670
lived there or what technology they once

2194
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:19,980
had could be erased from people's minds

2195
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:23,520
simply by word of mouth and you know if

2196
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:25,320
there was some sort of destruction and

2197
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:28,110
our say our infrastructure went down or

2198
01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:29,880
the internet went down pretty quickly

2199
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:31,380
you'd be able to have people who would

2200
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:33,540
only talk about America as a memory a

2201
01:19:37,399 --> 01:19:35,760
distant past and so yeah that's probably

2202
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:37,409
the one thing that you know I still

2203
01:19:40,939 --> 01:19:39,449
question is what is their their end goal

2204
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:40,949
here because I think some things that we

2205
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:43,770
pointed out with NASA are clearly seen

2206
01:19:46,700 --> 01:19:45,330
for anybody who's doing the research and

2207
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,710
once they start looking into these

2208
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:48,719
pictures of the earth pictures of these

2209
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:50,850
other planets the idea of space travel

2210
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:53,610
the idea of even the ISS orbiting Earth

2211
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:55,530
that these pictures are not real and

2212
01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:57,570
they keep putting them out there and it

2213
01:20:02,090 --> 01:19:59,610
makes me think that could possibly they

2214
01:20:03,370 --> 01:20:02,100
have some sort of end game where they

2215
01:20:05,780 --> 01:20:03,380
don't care because they know it's coming

2216
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:05,790
otherwise it seems to me like they are

2217
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:08,370
not doing the kind of work that looks

2218
01:20:12,169 --> 01:20:09,679
like they're trying to protect the lie

2219
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:12,179
and then man I'm definitely with you

2220
01:20:16,700 --> 01:20:14,370
that there are huge inconsistencies that

2221
01:20:18,740 --> 01:20:16,710
can't be denied and I do really enjoy

2222
01:20:20,780 --> 01:20:18,750
your videos and before we get out of

2223
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:20,790
here remind the people where they can

2224
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,930
actually find those video

2225
01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:23,760
and continue the journey if they want to

2226
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,040
go deeper sure I totally appreciate you

2227
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:27,840
having me on like I said I've been a fan

2228
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,070
of the show for a long time so

2229
01:20:35,540 --> 01:20:31,440
appreciate that and yeah there's jaren

2230
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:35,550
ism comm and it's je RA n is M and then

2231
01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:37,320
I've got the YouTube channel jaren ism

2232
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:39,480
which is youtube.com slash journalism

2233
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:42,390
and I also do a show live on Sundays on

2234
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,550
a channel called globe Buster's you can

2235
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:46,320
search for that it's got like the

2236
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:48,150
Ghostbusters kind of logo but with a

2237
01:20:54,440 --> 01:20:51,030
globe instead and I also do a radio show

2238
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,450
from 60 M to 9 p.m. Pacific on Monday

2239
01:21:00,380 --> 01:20:56,400
nights on truth frequency radio and you

2240
01:21:00,860 --> 01:21:00,390
can find that at t FR live.com right on

2241
01:21:02,690 --> 01:21:00,870
man

2242
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:02,700
well whatever people think about the

2243
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:04,290
Flat Earth model you're definitely a

2244
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:06,420
great guest and good speaker to talk

2245
01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:08,640
about it with and thanks again the

2246
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:10,230
rabbit hole goes deep take care of

2247
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:12,930
yourself out there man appreciate it you

2248
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:13,320
got it

2249
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:16,860
peace there we go guys Jaron campanella'

2250
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:20,340
of jaren ISM I hope even non Flat Earth

2251
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:22,440
listeners were able to enjoy that and

2252
01:21:26,750 --> 01:21:24,360
get something out of it or find some

2253
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:26,760
common ground with Jaron or understand

2254
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:28,980
where he's coming from at least I know

2255
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,290
some people will wonder why I would do

2256
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,120
another Flat Earth episode and the fact

2257
01:21:38,090 --> 01:21:36,000
is that the higher side chess is a show

2258
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:38,100
about the full range of alternative

2259
01:21:43,190 --> 01:21:40,260
perspectives and we've had an increasing

2260
01:21:46,820 --> 01:21:43,200
number of guests go flat Sofia's small

2261
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:46,830
storm Santos Benassi Marty leads Matt

2262
01:21:52,130 --> 01:21:49,980
Landman mark Devlin this is really no

2263
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:52,140
small number and it's a very weird place

2264
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:54,690
for me to be because flat earth wasn't a

2265
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,730
thing five years ago so I was pretty

2266
01:22:01,810 --> 01:21:59,040
much willing to go to every edge no pun

2267
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:01,820
intended but no rabbit hole was too deep

2268
01:22:07,190 --> 01:22:04,650
and now the envelope has been pushed out

2269
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:07,200
even further but like I said in the

2270
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,970
intro I'd rather talk with someone that

2271
01:22:12,650 --> 01:22:11,280
I feel might go a little too far rather

2272
01:22:14,030 --> 01:22:12,660
than someone who doesn't go far enough

2273
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:14,040
because we could talk about pretty much

2274
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:16,860
any other conspiratorial subject and be

2275
01:22:21,140 --> 01:22:19,260
in rough alignment but it's a strange

2276
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:21,150
place for me as the host of a conspiracy

2277
01:22:26,420 --> 01:22:23,310
showed to be more in defense of the

2278
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:26,430
mainstream perspective to a degree but I

2279
01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:28,110
hope that for the most part you trust

2280
01:22:33,740 --> 01:22:31,080
that as a curator of content and sort of

2281
01:22:35,900 --> 01:22:33,750
conspiratorial talent scout if you will

2282
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:35,910
I'm going to get people on here that I

2283
01:22:40,370 --> 01:22:37,650
think you're going to enjoy regardless

2284
01:22:42,380 --> 01:22:40,380
to me a lot of this is just kind of a

2285
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:42,390
thought exercise about the scope of

2286
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:45,510
possible lies I get the idea that there

2287
01:22:49,820 --> 01:22:47,250
are so many lies out there we got to

2288
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:49,830
just trust our senses but there's a lot

2289
01:22:54,050 --> 01:22:51,330
of data to suggest that our brains

2290
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:54,060
filter out more than they let in it's

2291
01:22:58,520 --> 01:22:56,280
how we make sense of the world but we

2292
01:23:00,500 --> 01:22:58,530
only see a sliver of the light spectrum

2293
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:00,510
we clearly know there are frequencies

2294
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:03,300
other animals can hear that we can't so

2295
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:05,430
we have limited senses my eyes have

2296
01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:06,930
played tricks on me more than a couple

2297
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:09,270
of times they aren't much more reliable

2298
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:10,920
than the brainwashing school system

2299
01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:14,100
anyway still on one hand you can go

2300
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:16,440
watch a video like Eric Dubay is 200

2301
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:18,330
proofs the earth is not a spinning ball

2302
01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:21,270
which you know 200 there should be at

2303
01:23:24,740 --> 01:23:22,500
least a couple dozen you find

2304
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:24,750
interesting right and on the other hand

2305
01:23:30,770 --> 01:23:26,910
I think the Flat Earth movement has had

2306
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,780
a rather suspicious rise from nobody

2307
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:33,600
talking about it for decades to a time

2308
01:23:36,380 --> 01:23:34,770
where we don't get through a month of

2309
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:36,390
shows without somebody bringing it up

2310
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:39,210
usually not me but that's not the point

2311
01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:41,850
the point is how we have this Eric Dubay

2312
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:43,980
guy and Thailand who makes a bunch of

2313
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:46,110
YouTube videos not to say that

2314
01:23:50,060 --> 01:23:48,450
disparagingly that's just a technical

2315
01:23:52,670 --> 01:23:50,070
description of what he has predominantly

2316
01:23:55,490 --> 01:23:52,680
done and he's been convincing enough

2317
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:55,500
that many many people have taken

2318
01:24:00,260 --> 01:23:57,930
everything they've ever heard from

2319
01:24:02,780 --> 01:24:00,270
anyone and weighted against the

2320
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:02,790
obviously convincing arguments in a

2321
01:24:09,130 --> 01:24:05,850
series of videos and said I'm going to

2322
01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:09,140
go with the videos as a phenomenon

2323
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:12,760
that's just kind of fascinating to me

2324
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,890
I do like Jared a lot and he makes a

2325
01:24:19,410 --> 01:24:16,960
great point when he says the paradigm is

2326
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:19,420
what it is many perspective that was

2327
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:21,730
meant to deceive would have to be built

2328
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,070
around that so that observation aliy it

2329
01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:26,320
made sense and that's kind of what I was

2330
01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:28,300
saying about how if the goal here is to

2331
01:24:32,730 --> 01:24:30,640
convince the population of a snowglobe

2332
01:24:34,230 --> 01:24:32,740
environment that there is no creator of

2333
01:24:36,900 --> 01:24:34,240
said snow globe

2334
01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:36,910
you'd have to construct a paradigm so

2335
01:24:42,330 --> 01:24:39,910
epic so all-encompassing as to explain

2336
01:24:44,610 --> 01:24:42,340
reality itself emerging without that

2337
01:24:46,710 --> 01:24:44,620
creator which can only be done if you

2338
01:24:48,450 --> 01:24:46,720
added space and then said the system

2339
01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:48,460
that we see is just one of many

2340
01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:51,540
so the vatican came up with a big bang i

2341
01:24:55,860 --> 01:24:53,740
see where the Flat Earth folks are

2342
01:24:57,420 --> 01:24:55,870
coming from with some of that but then

2343
01:24:59,130 --> 01:24:57,430
people smarter than me will say you can

2344
01:25:01,380 --> 01:24:59,140
prove the earth is round with a rock and

2345
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:01,390
a piece of string but I think it's a fun

2346
01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:03,760
conversation to have like I said a lot

2347
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:05,350
of listeners have wanted me to return to

2348
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:09,520
it also a lot have wanted me not to but

2349
01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:11,290
I hope that one episode every once in a

2350
01:25:14,430 --> 01:25:12,550
while isn't going to kill you

2351
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:14,440
we're here to challenge everything we've

2352
01:25:19,260 --> 01:25:17,050
been told right so I don't know but

2353
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:19,270
people do get really emotional over this

2354
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:22,210
topic it is strange and the next episode

2355
01:25:25,890 --> 01:25:23,650
is actually with the researcher who

2356
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,900
thinks he's discovered some hidden and

2357
01:25:30,510 --> 01:25:27,760
fundamental qualities to the universe

2358
01:25:32,940 --> 01:25:30,520
but also thinks that the configuration

2359
01:25:34,830 --> 01:25:32,950
of space and the plants is largely in

2360
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:34,840
line with the conventional ideas and

2361
01:25:40,020 --> 01:25:37,450
just to a point of course or he wouldn't

2362
01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:40,030
even be on THC but my point is we always

2363
01:25:44,850 --> 01:25:42,340
jump around maybe it's this maybe it's

2364
01:25:47,130 --> 01:25:44,860
that I can do a cryptid episode where

2365
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:47,140
people will say well I don't know if I

2366
01:25:50,010 --> 01:25:48,850
believe in that stuff but that was

2367
01:25:53,340 --> 01:25:50,020
definitely interesting

2368
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:53,350
and for Flat Earth episode responses are

2369
01:25:58,800 --> 01:25:56,290
way more aggressive by the way I do have

2370
01:26:01,290 --> 01:25:58,810
a cryptid episode plan but we booked it

2371
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:01,300
for after the Eclipse just in case

2372
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:03,610
there's any heightened activity but

2373
01:26:07,410 --> 01:26:05,170
apparently there's been a record number

2374
01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:07,420
of flying humanoid sightings in the

2375
01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:09,580
Chicago area now we're going to talk

2376
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:10,760
about it

2377
01:26:15,460 --> 01:26:13,250
but if you like me as a host and the

2378
01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:15,470
higher side chats overall and you find

2379
01:26:20,350 --> 01:26:17,720
that the THC way is something that you

2380
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:20,360
value support it by signing up for the

2381
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:22,610
higher side chats plus com for five

2382
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:24,410
bucks a month and then you can hear the

2383
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:26,810
second hour of each episode each

2384
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:29,570
interview that is reserved for those who

2385
01:26:33,460 --> 01:26:31,910
are kind enough to do so today's full

2386
01:26:37,090 --> 01:26:33,470
show is actually more like two and a

2387
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:37,100
half hours but that said it's always

2388
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:39,170
better to get the full interview today

2389
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:40,850
is no different and of course I had a

2390
01:26:45,220 --> 01:26:42,890
thousand questions for Jaron and in the

2391
01:26:47,710 --> 01:26:45,230
second hour what we focused on mainly

2392
01:26:50,410 --> 01:26:47,720
was the moon's oddities and its place in

2393
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,420
the Flat Earth model meteors asteroids

2394
01:26:55,810 --> 01:26:53,120
and impacts using true believers as

2395
01:26:57,730 --> 01:26:55,820
disinformation and their usefulness what

2396
01:27:00,640 --> 01:26:57,740
are these stars in the Flat Earth model

2397
01:27:03,610 --> 01:27:00,650
can we use them to prove one over the

2398
01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:03,620
other also one of my favorite areas the

2399
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:06,460
ISS the International Space Station as

2400
01:27:10,930 --> 01:27:09,050
evidence that something is fishy and

2401
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:10,940
there's definitely fakery going on at

2402
01:27:16,570 --> 01:27:14,210
NASA and then a fun little section about

2403
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,580
Donald Marshall cloning and Jared's

2404
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:19,760
actual contact with rapper b.o.b I think

2405
01:27:23,290 --> 01:27:21,410
it's great that he's talked to Bo B

2406
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:23,300
personally about the Flat Earth and I'm

2407
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:24,770
glad I could ask him about it

2408
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:27,050
and get his thoughts on cloning of all

2409
01:27:31,210 --> 01:27:30,260
things so all-around good stuff check

2410
01:27:33,730 --> 01:27:31,220
out his channel

2411
01:27:35,980 --> 01:27:33,740
jaren ISM and see what you think I'm

2412
01:27:38,020 --> 01:27:35,990
sure any higher side fan would find a

2413
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:38,030
few things they'd like and I'll see you

2414
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:39,890
soon with another show I've done my part

2415
01:27:44,050 --> 01:27:42,050
your move earth shaped charlatans

2416
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:44,060
paradigm pushers and capstone con

2417
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:52,730
lucid dreams are still vivid because you

2418
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:55,410
go to bed at 7:00 and your brain comes

2419
01:28:00,980 --> 01:27:58,320
alive cuz your H in nine to five you

2420
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:00,990
wake up with a dread and make sure your

2421
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:03,120
cats are fed did your brain talk to

2422
01:28:08,980 --> 01:28:05,400
ghosts who moved your coffee and toast

2423
01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:08,990
as you listen to the higher side chats

2424
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:12,150
you get to your desk and your boss says

2425
01:28:17,540 --> 01:28:15,570
it's a mess and your soul slowly goes to

2426
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,550
a place when nothing gross when you

2427
01:28:24,830 --> 01:28:20,400
think he's not around you insert a SETI

2428
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:24,840
sound the Oh whimpers turn it down and

2429
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:28,130
you say it's just the higher side chats

2430
01:28:36,700 --> 01:28:32,000
how do you think you'd be invited to

2431
01:28:40,490 --> 01:28:36,710
Bohemian Grove to a Bilderberg Club oh

2432
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:40,500
do you think you're being invited by

2433
01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:46,320
Rasta to a party on a submarine diving

2434
01:28:53,300 --> 01:28:50,280
down to the center of the earth to the

2435
01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:53,310
Marianas Trench if teeth begin to clench

2436
01:29:02,090 --> 01:28:57,540
from the sulphureus stench the mask you

2437
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:02,100
give in doesn't it cuz you're not one of

2438
01:29:10,939 --> 01:29:08,270
starting today you'll make plans to get

2439
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:10,949
away there's no one to hold you down and

2440
01:29:16,490 --> 01:29:13,650
the waters start to drown then you wake

2441
01:29:19,340 --> 01:29:16,500
to the glare of a Coppola resin stare

2442
01:29:21,709 --> 01:29:19,350
and the light winks at you cuz its life

2443
01:29:25,070 --> 01:29:21,719
is almost through but it's holding gone